Originally posted by kirksey957That is you. That is not anyone else. It's also possible to get in a situation were something you thought would feel good or find interesting sickens you in actuality. Or the reverse. I've never had an urge to do illegal drugs or drink alcohol, however the one time I tried a cigarettes when I was little I craved another puff for like a year afterwards. Still do today. Thankfully, I was 14 so by the time I was actually old enough to buy them to smoke myself I'd broken the want. However, the craving has never stopped. Why one cigarette has had more effect than any amount of alcohol I've ever had remains a mystery. I've never craved alcohol. Always a take it or leave it feeling.
I consider myself to be a non-violent person, however I know myself well enough to know that on some level violence feels "good."
Originally posted by NordlysI will answer it in this way. I am OK with people being gay though it is not my choice. I am not disgusted by their preference even though it is not my preference. I am comfortable embracing my gay and lesbian friends. Have no problem with that.
Do you believe that everything you find disgusting or uncomfortable feels good to you on some level?
I have found your question to be a very relevent and helpful question to people who are extremely judgemental in a religious sense. Look no farther than Ted Haggard or a Jimmy Swaggert. Swaggert railed against porn all the time. Still does. Haggard would go on and on about "traditional family values." I think you see what I'm getting at.
Originally posted by Zahlanzilove that analogy 🙂
those who think homosexuality is wrong associate sexual intimacy with reproduction. but nowadays this is not the case. sex is a mere fun activity(like playstation) so who cares what people it involves. what happens in each person's bedroom is their business
Originally posted by kirksey957Okay, then you are talking about something different than I thought. You replied to a post by me where I was talking about being disgusted when seeing someone kiss, but not seeing the behaviour as bad because of that. So I thought you were talking about the feeling of disgust, not about being judgemental. I think someone who is extremely judgemental in a religious sense most likely has some unresolved issues about it, which can involve being attracted to it without wanting to admit it.
I will answer it in this way. I am OK with people being gay though it is not my choice. I am not disgusted by their preference even though it is not my preference. I am comfortable embracing my gay and lesbian friends. Have no problem with that.
I have found your question to be a very relevent and helpful question to people who are extremely judg ...[text shortened]... d would go on and on about "traditional family values." I think you see what I'm getting at.
Edit: We also probably use the word "disgusted" differently. I am not disgusted by the preference of sexual people. I am not disgusted by some people's preference for eating coconuts either, but if I see someone eating a coconut, I feel disgust, because I would get sick if I would eat it myself, and seeing someone else eating it makes me imagine a bit of this feeling.
Originally posted by ZahlanziWow, sex has physical, chemical, emotional, and health ramifications. I've never seen anyone get aids from playing a PS1,2,or 3...or end up with a kid. Bad analogy. Sex is not just sex, no matter how far people try to reduce it.
those who think homosexuality is wrong associate sexual intimacy with reproduction. but nowadays this is not the case. sex is a mere fun activity(like playstation) so who cares what people it involves. what happens in each person's bedroom is their business
Originally posted by NordlysThanks Nordlys, this explains exactly how I feel.
Okay, then you are talking about something different than I thought. You replied to a post by me where I was talking about being disgusted when seeing someone kiss, but not seeing the behaviour as bad because of that. So I thought you were talking about the feeling of disgust, not about being judgemental. I think someone who is extremely judgemental in a rel ...[text shortened]... unresolved issues about it, which can involve being attracted to it without wanting to admit it.
Originally posted by NordlysDo a web search on 'mirror neurons.' When we observe people doing a behavior, there is a
Okay, then you are talking about something different than I thought. You replied to a post by me where I was talking about being disgusted when seeing someone kiss, but not seeing the behaviour as bad because of that. So I thought you were talking about the feeling of disgust, not about being judgemental. I think someone who is extremely judgemental in a rel ...[text shortened]... ould eat it myself, and seeing someone else eating it makes me imagine a bit of this feeling.
part of our brain which (internally) mimics it. That's why we feel revulsion when we see
people eating something that we ourselves don't like. It's a perfectly natural, biological reaction.
It's totally okay (and natural) for a straight person to get the heebie-jeebies when observing
same-sex exchanges (although not feeling it doesn't necessarily mean any psychological
orientation ambivalence, either). It is not okay to tell people that they can't engage in those
behaviors simply because of the heebie-jeebies, though.
Nemesio
Originally posted by ahosyneyI think that you are curious and don't want to admit it.
Do you say that there is no phychological problems facing homosexuals?
Do you realy belive that they behave like normal people?
If it is really a human nature why most of them tend to hide their behaviour.
I will tell what do I mean by human nature. The natural sexual behaviour like any living species that depends on sex for multiplication is to be ...[text shortened]... homesexuality in any other species.
So why do you think human will have a different nature.
Originally posted by NemesioThis is different.
What does natural mean but 'found in nature?'
Is working in a cubical in a skyscraper 'natural?' Is wearing clothing 'natural?' Is money 'natural?'
Nemesio
The normal person get attracted to a person of the opposite sex.
Our body is suitable for this normal realtion. It is not by any mean suitable for any other realtion.
Can you call a person get attracted to a person from the same sex normal? I don't see it normal.
Doesn't the sexual relation between two males affects them physacly?
Animals don't wear clothes. But if human go naked in streets he will not be normal.
Originally posted by ahosyneySo now homosexuality isn't normal. That's after you've been shown that in fact it does occur in nature.
This is different.
The normal person get attracted to a person of the opposite sex.
Our body is suitable for this normal realtion. It is not by any mean suitable for any other realtion.
Can you call a person get attracted to a person from the same sex normal? I don't see it normal.
Doesn't the sexual relation between two males affects them physacly?
Animals don't wear clothes. But if human go naked in streets he will not be normal.
So what is normal?
Originally posted by ahosyney
The normal person get attracted to a person of the opposite sex.
By normal, you mean normative. Statistically, yes, most people are attracted to a person
of the opposite sex.
But you are using the word 'normal' to mean 'good' and 'abnormal' to mean 'bad' or 'less good.'
For example, being right-handed is normative or 'normal.' Are left-handed people abnormal?
Of course not, even though they are a marked minority.
Our body is suitable for this normal realtion. It is not by any mean suitable for any other realtion.
If reproduction is the only purpose of sexual interaction, then you are right. But, I don't know
about you, but most straight couples I know engage in oral sex and mutual masturbation, too, and
most of them when they engage in coital (i.e., vaginal) sex, they use some sort of contraception
most of the time, proving that sex is not only biological, but social.
So, simply because two men's sexual interaction is not procreative (like most opposite-sex interactions)
doesn't necessarily mean that it is unhealthy.
Can you call a person get attracted to a person from the same sex normal? I don't see it normal.
If by 'normal' you mean 'common,' then, no. But by 'normal' you mean has an equal likelihood of
being psychologically healthy as heterosexual interactions, then yes.
Doesn't the sexual relation between two males affects them physacly?
Do you mean physically or psychologically (I'm not trying to make fun of you, I'm just trying to
guess what you mean)? In either case, I assume you mean adversely, in which case I would
simply say that male-male, female-female, and male-female sexual relations are equally likely to
have positive or negative results (from trying to do things damaging to the body or mind).
Animals don't wear clothes. But if human go naked in streets he will not be normal.
What could be more natural than being naked? Aren't you born with no clothes? Don't you know
of aborigines or native south americans who run around naked on the plain or forest? Are they
'abnormal?'
You are trying to impose benign normative social customs as having moral weight. In America,
a woman's breast is a very, very sexual object -- my wife has been asked to stop breast feeding in
public, and what could be more natural than that!; in Europe, it's far less of an issue.
That's because these social customs are arbitrary. They don't have any moral weight because
they are just the product of conditioning; you do them to 'fit in.'
I like the color purple. I have many purple neckties which I wear to work all the time. I am in a
marked minority, first because I wear neckties and second because my neckties are bright, colorful,
and wildly patterned. This is not 'normative' but it has no moral consequence.
So, if by 'abnormal,' you mean 'not the normative thing' then you and I don't have any debate; but
if you attach a moral judgment to 'abnormal,' how do you explain aborigines or my neckties?
Nemesio