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31 Dec 20
01 Jan 21
@divegeester saidWe do know what the Chinese did.
No one really knows what the Chinese did, which is exactly my point.
They went into a complete lockdown.
- no public transport
- roads to and from cities were closed
- 1 person per household was allowed outside once per 2 days.
- masks immediately obligatatory.
You can’t compare Britain’s measures to that.
01 Jan 21
@Duchess64
The deep freeze thing is easy, at least while you have a supply of dry ice.
That is at the right temp to store the vaccine so at least you can transport it without having high tech refrigerators.
I did hear we are running low on dry ice though, here in the US.
If that happens, after 20 Jan Biden can use the defense authorization act to make companies commit to making everything from the precursors of the vaccines (also in short supply) and PPP in general and dry ice.
And to get the vaccines sitting in refrigerators not being used to get them on the road with the act forcing trucking companies to deliver them.
Trump would die a ragged death before he would actually use that act to help people.
He loves to tout the 'Warp speed' getting the vaccine out so fast.
In reality the coronavirus has been around for some 20 year or so and work on the earlier versions was already done so they had a good head start and that is why we got the vaccine this early.
02 Jan 21
@shavixmir saidBrits coming to Switzerland to ski and then vanishing in the night in violation of quarantine regulations. Duh! You think we want your mutant virus here? Crikey, your grandfathers were called upon to put down fascism on European soil; you are called upon to stay home and watch netflix. Think you can do that??
The infected areas went into a 2 month complete lockdown. With completely empty streets.
If everyone in England would stay at home for 2 months, the virus would die out there too.
But we keep shopping, driving to castles to get our eyes checked, etc.
I’m not saying the Chinese solution would work in Europe. And I’m not saying I completely believe their figures. But, their lockdown was near 100% effective.
02 Jan 21
@joe-shmo saidWell wherever you live they are a lot less selfish and stupid than a lot of Brits and other Americans, I trust your not thinking of moving any time soon.
It appears to be just arriving in the sparsely populated regions of the US now...for what is pretty much the first wave. 25% of the death toll to date in my state can be attributed to the two major cities in the east and west. My county ( 100k people ) had maybe 6 deaths the entire first 9 months. Now we have 250. There is some reason why it ripped through every major me ...[text shortened]... it get us? How much time did it really buy? How many lives did it save? My estimate...slim to none.
This new variant is going to make the original look positively sluggish in terms of R rates I think everyone should push the vaccination roll out regardless of its make or origin.
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02 Jan 21
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@kevcvs57 said
Well wherever you live they are a lot less selfish and stupid than a lot of Brits and other Americans, I trust your not thinking of moving any time soon.
This new variant is going to make the original look positively sluggish in terms of R rates I think everyone should push the vaccination roll out regardless of its make or origin.
Well wherever you live they are a lot less selfish and stupid than a lot of Brits and other Americans, I trust your not thinking of moving any time soon.
I'd like to think that rural America is superior to you urbanites...may it is true ( but statistically...probably not entirely accurate )? So something else should explain the data perhaps?
How about this...population density, communal housing, high-rise living, etc...hundreds of urban tenants are all sharing recirculated building air...What percent of New York City residents live in some type of communal housing? You can hide in your apartments but you cant escape the shared HVAC systems in your buildings.
02 Jan 21
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@joe-shmo saidCannot disagree with that but I live in a medium density urban setting with none of the high density complications you mentioned and the predominant factors I’ve noticed is a lack of face masks and social distancing coupled with a government that waits until the horse is bolting off into the distance before it tries to shut the stable door.Well wherever you live they are a lot less selfish and stupid than a lot of Brits and other Americans, I trust your not thinking of moving any time soon.
I'd like to think that rural America is superior to you urbanites...may it is true ( but statistically...probably not entirely accurate )? So something else should explain the data perhaps?
How about th ...[text shortened]... ng? You can hide in your apartments but you cant escape the shared HVAC systems in your buildings.
03 Jan 21
@moonbus saidWhat’s this got to do with my post?
Brits coming to Switzerland to ski and then vanishing in the night in violation of quarantine regulations. Duh! You think we want your mutant virus here? Crikey, your grandfathers were called upon to put down fascism on European soil; you are called upon to stay home and watch netflix. Think you can do that??