How do you become a gay?

Originally posted by invigorate
Your homophobic attitudes make me sick.

If you find someone attractive and you want to have relationship with them their gender is irrelevant.

He may very well be homophobic, but his question ("Why on earth would you WANT to be gay in the first place ???" ) actually makes sense. Why would someone want to be something which is against his nature? In my idea of an ideal world, this would be a rhetorical question. In reality, there's a strong pressure to conform, so it's quite understandable when people who don't fit the norm have a wish to be "normal". But there's little reason why someone who does fit the norm would want to belong to a disadvantaged group.

Originally posted by invigorate
Your homophobic attitudes make me sick.

If you find someone attractive and you want to have relationship with them their gender is irrelevant.

Why is gender irrelevant, because the society we are living in tolerates and accepts gay??


That cannot be a good enough reason (there where times when the church burned witches and society accepted, tolerated and supported it). Just because society accepts something does not mean it is right ...

Here are more thoughts to mull over for you.


a) Gay people do not re-produce - Re-production is mandatory for our civilisation to survive - Subsequently the concept of being gay is fundamentally wrong -

b) Humans are animals - Throughout evolution, we have developed from animals. Now take back at nature, do you see gay animals? You do, but their social status (within a group, clan etc.) is hugely diminished as opposed to their 'normal (in terms of sexuality)' members of the same species. Alternatively these animals are not even accepted within the group ... Since I regard humans in the same was as animals (in this respect) I must truly question the gay concept

c) Last but not least, fashion ... It makes one wonder seeing people like Brother Edwin wanting to be gay as a fashion statement, gay people being allowed to marry, and gay people wanting to adopt children ... Take a look around and question all of this rather then nodding along - being gay is not natural... Why on earth would anyone allow a gay couple to raise children ???

Anyway, I'm sure you'll rip my arguments into pieces (I wouldn't expect less) but the facts remain rock sold -

gay do not re-produce
gay is not a natural concept (and not suggest by nature)
gay is a fashion thing for many people

Regards
Boris

Originally posted by The Slow Pawn
a) Gay people do not re-produce - Re-production is mandatory for our civilisation to survive - Subsequently the concept of being gay is fundamentally wrong -

b) Humans are animals - Throughout evolution, we have developed from animals. Now take back at nature, do you see gay animals? You do, but their social status (within a group, clan etc.) is hu ing gay is not natural... Why on earth would anyone allow a gay couple to raise children ???

a) It's not mandatory for our civilisation to survive that every member of it contributes to reproduction. There are many other ways to contribute to the survival and thriving of the species. I am curious, do you also condemn heterosexual couples who choose not to have children?

b) You'd better read up on that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals is a good start.

c) Being gay is not unnatural. And why on earth shouldn't gay couples raise children? Some of them may be irresponsible and not suited to be parents. That's true for many heterosexual people as well.

the facts remain rock sold

Yes, I sold the rock.

Originally posted by The Slow Pawn
Why is gender irrelevant, because the society we are living in tolerates and accepts gay??


That cannot be a good enough reason (there where times when the church burned witches and society accepted, tolerated and supported it). Just because society accepts something does not mean it is right ...

Here are more thoughts to mull over for you.
...[text shortened]... d not suggest by nature)
gay is a fashion thing for many people

Regards
Boris

Part a) Many straight people do not reproduce. Reproduction is not humanity sole aim. I accept reproduction is necessary but that does not make those that dont rproduce inferior beings.

Part b) Sorry I dont claim to be an expert on the animal kingdom

Part c) Gay parents are in my experience some of the best parents. I run a restaurant here in Brighton, we have many gay parent families - the children of these families are all well balanced individuals. Being gay is not a fashion choice, there are plenty of gay people who don't like kylie, cant dance and dont have really clean houses.

If you started to see gay people as normal, maybe even hang out with few, I'm sure you would be more relaxed on the subject.

Originally posted by The Slow Pawn

gay do not re-produce
gay is not a natural concept (and not suggest by nature)
gay is a fashion thing for many people

Regards
Boris

You could almost change this to just about anything, and have it make the same sense. Not that I am an advocate for gayness, or whatever the buttpluggers are calling themselves these days, but really...

masturbation does not re-produce
masturbation is not a natural concept (not counting the whole but-it-fits-so-well thing)
masturbation is a fashion thing for many people

You'll have to do better than that to make anything approximating a point. Incidentally, most of society doesn't accept homosexuality as a viable alternative. That's why the homosexuals are doing the whole grass-roots thing.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
masturbation is a fashion thing for many people

It's the new pink this season.

Originally posted by CliffLandin
huh?


Who am I attacking? I am just trying to get to the root of the issue. (so to speak)

I would never attack anyone for their sexual preference. Now religious preference, maybe, but sexual preference, never.

I know you were trying to be clever, but once again you have fallen short.

Sorry, i didn't read the end of your post. My sentence didn't make any sense whatsoever anyway (it was early when i wrote it). As for you trying tying to get to the root of problem, most of your post was dedicated to your contemplation of his sexuality (which I should add is not part of the problem). And as for not attacking anyone you seemed rather condescedning in attitude. I have posted three threads on homosexual issues and let it be known I am not gay.

Secondly what do you mean by "Once again you have fallen short"? I rarely post anything in an attempt to be humorous. I dont even think I have ever replied to one of your posts either.

Originally posted by Great Big Stees
It's that simple? Wow!

Yeah, does that relieve the "butterflies in the stomach" syndrome for you......just kidding....😉

Originally posted by Tetsujin
How do you become straight?

All it takes is a hot female in the nude, and I'm "straight" as a two-by-four...."heavy wood" I call it......

Originally posted by The Slow Pawn
Why is gender irrelevant, because the society we are living in tolerates and accepts gay??


That cannot be a good enough reason (there where times when the church burned witches and society accepted, tolerated and supported it). Just because society accepts something does not mean it is right ...

Here are more thoughts to mull over for you.
...[text shortened]... d not suggest by nature)
gay is a fashion thing for many people

Regards
Boris

I agree to a large extent, especially among girls ages 15-20....

Originally posted by The Slow Pawn
Why is gender irrelevant, because the society we are living in tolerates and accepts gay??

I dont even think that was their answer. You just fabricated that altogether. Why is gender irrelevant?
invigorate:
"If you find someone attractive and you want to have relationship with them their gender is irrelevant."
invigorate's response did not include society's tolerance or acceptance.

Originally posted by Conrau K
I dont even think that was their answer. You just fabricated that altogether. [b]Why is gender irrelevant?
invigorate:
"If you find someone attractive and you want to have relationship with them their gender is irrelevant."
invigorate's response did not include society's tolerance or acceptance.[/b]

I don't see the difference between two men kissing and man and a woman kissing.
I am equally tolerent of both.I believe if we want to live in a tolerent society we should accept homosexuality is normal human action. Homosexuals should not be judged by their sexuality.

Originally posted by invigorate
I don't see the difference between two men kissing and man and a woman kissing.
I am equally tolerent of both.I believe if we want to live in a tolerent society we should accept homosexuality is normal human action. Homosexuals should not be judged by their sexuality.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. Its just that The Slow Pawn completely effaced your response and replaced it with another.

EDIT: This thread really has diverged from the "is homosexuality a choice" debate.

Originally posted by The Slow Pawn
Why is gender irrelevant, because the society we are living in tolerates and accepts gay??


That cannot be a good enough reason (there where times when the church burned witches and society accepted, tolerated and supported it). Just because society accepts something does not mean it is right ...

Here are more thoughts to mull over for you.
d not suggest by nature)
gay is a fashion thing for many people

Regards
Boris

"a) Gay people do not re-produce"

At current the world is overpopulated you can't deny that. I'm not saying that gay people are the answer but they are not a problem.

"Re-production is mandatory for our civilisation to survive"

So is farming, does everyone need to be a farmer? No, some can produce enough for everything to keep ticking over.

"b) Humans are animals - Throughout evolution, we have developed from animals. Now take back at nature, do you see gay animals? You do, but their social status (within a group, clan etc.) is hugely diminished as opposed to their 'normal (in terms of sexuality)' members of the same species. Alternatively these animals are not even accepted within the group ... Since I regard humans in the same was as animals (in this respect) I must truly question the gay concept"

Let them be gay if they want don't start preaching to the animals about there kinds respect for them. I think in ways humans are much more then animals. Many animals will kill to defend territory if you walk into my house I might shout at you but I'm not going to kill you. Many animals will kill over food if I am eating and I saw you hungry I would share my food with you. Humans have intelligence to make us greater then animals lets use that to try and improve our lives and the lives of others, let people do what they want as long as it doesn’t harm you or others.

“rock sold”

Learn some geology will you? Rocks are not solid at all, they can be faulted, folded and reduced to the mear componets of what made them in a molten state. There are more molten rocks on earth then solid. Rocks can be shifted in many ways so they resemble nothing of what they were they can be shifted and changed immensely.

Originally posted by The Slow Pawn

b) Humans are animals - Throughout evolution, we have developed from animals. Now take back at nature, do you see gay animals? You do, but their social status (within a group, clan etc.) is hugely diminished as opposed to their 'normal (in terms of sexuality)' members of the same species. Alternatively these animals are not even accepted within the g ...[text shortened]... s in the same was as animals (in this respect) I must truly question the gay concept

Boris

I recently read of two "gay" penguins in a zoo. They take little pebbles and try to incubate them like eggs. There social position certainly wasn't diminished either.

Also, have you ever been to a farm when the cows are um... amorous?

They all start mounting each other. Its really quite disgusting. But they dont suffer any social ignominy. The other cows dont reject them.

I believe there are up to 100 known types of animals that display homosexuality. However, only (usually) among primates is homosexuality a prevalent anathema.