29 Apr 07
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Originally posted by scottishinnzI don't think a person has to own or shoot a gun to have a serious debate about them.
1. Why?
2. You are telling me that owning a gun "to prevent tyranny" isn't paranoid?
I also don't think someone owning a gun ONLY to prevent tyranny is suffering from paranoia.
They may be a little naive though. 🙂
People have only those rights which they can defend. The founding fathers of the US knew this. They got it right.
30 Apr 07
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Originally posted by MerkWhat century is it?
Considering that guns are what removed tyranny from our backs, I would say no.
[edit; this call goes out to wib too. Of course, I would also ask Wib if he thinks his gun would defend him against a strategic strike by a war plane? If not, well, his rights are not defended.]
30 Apr 07
Originally posted by MerkThey actually removed tyranny with a gun? Or did they instead, actually help even more deeply embed the tyranny into the fabric of society, well hidden from view and casual scrutiny, by a bewildering array of delusional circularity called the bill of rights.
Considering that guns are what removed tyranny from our backs, I would say no.
I mean what should have been a government of the people for the people has turned out to be more evidently that of a government, of the 'person' in the sense of that 'person' constituting an incorporated entity, ie:- The Corporation.
So now your society is dominated by 'people'(Corporations) who are legally entitled to express rights that compete against the rights of ordinary flesh and blood folk like you and I. And guns rid society of a tyranny?
30 Apr 07
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Originally posted by scottishinnzThe insurgents in Iraq are armed with only machine guns and homemade explosives. How well are they doing against the US Army, Air Force and Marines?
What century is it?
[edit; this call goes out to wib too. Of course, I would also ask Wib if he thinks his gun would defend him against a strategic strike by a war plane? If not, well, his rights are not defended.]
4 years later and we still can't find or whip'em all. And there's no end in site to that bloody fiasco.
It's not about "one man - one gun". It's about a citizenry having the right to defend itself as a whole.
30 Apr 07
Originally posted by wibSo, the people of Iraq, rebelling against invasion by hostile forces (the US), are defending your rights?
The insurgents in Iraq are armed with only machine guns and homemade explosives. How well are they doing against the US Army, Air Force and Marines?
4 years later and we still can't find or whip'em all. And there's no end in site to that bloody fiasco.
It's not about "one man - one gun". It's about a citizenry having the right to defend itself as a whole.
Boy, and I thought I was confused before!?!
30 Apr 07
Originally posted by steve645I have shot a 12 gauge just like that... my uncle just called it a long tom... I guess because it had around a 36 inch barrel. The bolt action seemed very unique to me too.
This 16 guage is a bolt action with a 2 round clip...also has an adjustable choke on the end of the muzzle. It was passed to me from my grandfather. Never seen one like it in my travels.
30 Apr 07
Originally posted by scottishinnzIts not the U.S. Military that they are to defend against. They are to defend against others armed with guns or whatever weapon.
What century is it?
[edit; this call goes out to wib too. Of course, I would also ask Wib if he thinks his gun would defend him against a strategic strike by a war plane? If not, well, his rights are not defended.]
They certainly are not going to defend against our military. Our military doesn't put down internal protest like communist militaries do.
30 Apr 07
Originally posted by MerkThey certainly are not going to defend against our military. Our military doesn't put down internal protest like communist militaries do.
Its not the U.S. Military that they are to defend against. They are to defend against others armed with guns or whatever weapon.
They certainly are not going to defend against our military. Our military doesn't put down internal protest like communist militaries do.
Yet.
30 Apr 07
Originally posted by scottishinnzIts certainly not paranoid to think that it might be a possibility at some point in the future I suppose.
[b]They certainly are not going to defend against our military. Our military doesn't put down internal protest like communist militaries do.
Yet.[/b]
I guess that would be a good reason for us to pull our troops out of Iraq. It never seems to take the U.S. Military more than a couple attempts at anything before they become the gold standard. Once they're the gold standard in COIN and 4GW, we might be in trouble.
