28 Aug 08
Originally posted by no1marauderYes:
Lincoln was a "traitor"?????
"Some of the lesser known facts about the"great emancipator":
To silence his critics in the North, Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus. The political prisoner count from this move was estimated by some to be as high as forty thousand.
Violated the First Amendment right to freedom of the press by shutting down 300-plus newspapers and journals by executive order.
Promoted Colonel John B. Turchin to the rank of Brigadier General of the United States Volunteers even though he was under a court-martial for crimes against civilians (and later convicted)."
http://reformed-theology.org/southern/lincoln.htm
28 Aug 08
Originally posted by pritybettaDo you know what the word "traitor" means? If so, you'd know it applies to Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and the rest of the Southern scum who made war against the US, not to the man who saved the Union (with the help of hundreds of thousands of brave men in blue).
Yes:
[b]"Some of the lesser known facts about the"great emancipator":
To silence his critics in the North, Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus. The political prisoner count from this move was estimated by some to be as high as forty thousand.
Violated the First Amendment right to freedom of the press by shutting down 300-plus newspa ...[text shortened]... civilians (and later convicted)."
http://reformed-theology.org/southern/lincoln.htm[/b]
28 Aug 08
Originally posted by no1marauderSo men that faught for the Constitution are traitors?
Do you know what the word "traitor" means? If so, you'd know it applies to Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and the rest of the Southern scum who made war against the US, not to the man who saved the Union (with the help of hundreds of thousands of brave men in blue).
28 Aug 08
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Originally posted by pritybettaPlease show me where in the Constitution it states you can start firing on US troops in a federally owned fort and not get hung for it.
So men that faught for the Constitution are traitors?
Did you ever read Article III, Section 3 of the US Constitution:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.
29 Aug 08
Originally posted by SeitseWhy not Fredrick Douglass? If it were not for the likes of people Douglass, MLK probably would never have got his chance.
Indeed he is.
Who can it be then?
One of the founding fathers? Bah, junkies and slave owners who proclaimed independence for the rich & white (just like Phish says in the song Marihuana, lol).
Lincoln? Perhaps, he could rival with Reverend King, because both fought the good fight against the intolerants.
29 Aug 08
Originally posted by no1marauderThose men were obligated to secede. It's too bad we don't have any real men in government today with half the backbone and integrity that great men like Robert E. Lee had. And for you to call them "Southern scum" displays a willful ignorance on your part. The PC Brigrade may try and whitewash men like Lee, Jackson and Jefferson as slave-holders and secessionists, just to try and make white Americans feel bad about themselves, but the truth is that the leaders of the South were some of the greatest Americans ever.
Do you know what the word "traitor" means? If so, you'd know it applies to Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee and the rest of the Southern scum who made war against the US, not to the man who saved the Union (with the help of hundreds of thousands of brave men in blue).
29 Aug 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterThey all should have been hung as the traitors they were. Robert E Lee violated his oath of allegiance to his country. And for what? Because of an ideology that wanted to expand human slavery into the Western territories? That was worth a terrible war and the deaths of more than a quarter of a million men?
Those men were obligated to secede. It's too bad we don't have any real men in government today with half the backbone and integrity that great men like Robert E. Lee had. And for you to call them "Southern scum" displays a willful ignorance on your part. The PC Brigrade may try and whitewash men like Lee, Jackson and Jefferson as slave-holders a ...[text shortened]... es, but the truth is that the leaders of the South were some of the greatest Americans ever.
You're deranged to praise such monsters. Lee was a fine general but a despicable human being.
29 Aug 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterI missed the part in the Constitution where a state is allowed to secede; perhaps you could point it out. If the government was founded by the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union (as it was) and if the Constitution was meant to make that Union more perfect (as it was), secession was not a legal option.
Lincoln violated the Constitution in numerous ways over state rights, income tax, secession, etc. Why do you think John Wilkes Booth shouted the famous line: "Sic semper tyrannis!" (Death to tyrants!) after assassinating him?
John Wilkes Booth was a crazed nut job who shot an unarmed man in the back of the head; I suppose he's one of your heroes, too.
29 Aug 08
Originally posted by pritybettaDont let the context of his speech bug you!
— Spoken at the White House to a group of black community leaders, August 14th, 1862, from COLLECTED WORKS OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN, Vol 5, page 371
Why dont you read his famous debates with Douglass and see what he says there.
29 Aug 08
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterYou should read both constitutions side by side and check out the only real differences between those who loved stars and bars as opposed to those who loved their stars with stripes, pertain to the removing of any ambiguity as to who a citizen could be and the rights to ownership over 'property'
Lincoln violated the Constitution in numerous ways over state rights, income tax, secession, etc. Why do you think John Wilkes Booth shouted the famous line: "Sic semper tyrannis!" (Death to tyrants!) after assassinating him?
