@shavixmir saidThis is from the original Hamas Charter [1988]. It was modified a few years ago in 2017, due to pressure from more sane Muslims to tone down the killing. Italics are direct quotes:
That Hamas says something is in the Quran, doesn’t make it so.
https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818.htm
They will elimiate Israel:
Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.
Palestine is a Divine Right ie a gift from God [waqf]
The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine has been an Islamic Waqf throughout the generations and until the Day of Resurrection,
No Peace. Jihad is the only option
Article 13 : [Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement. ... There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time(27), an exercise in futility. The Palestinian people are too noble to have their future, their right and their destiny submitted to a vain game.
Article 7 : Kill Jews
The time(16) will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: 0 Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad(17), which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim)(18).
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Here are some of the relevant quotes from the Quran and Haddiths referenced in Article 7 of the Charter:
9:5 - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."
Note that it says when the sacred months have passed. This means they were not under attack. If they were, the Quran commanded them to defend themselves so there would have been no waiting.
9:29 - “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”
Note that this abrogates any remaining verse saying Christians and Jews are safe. Just to make sure that Jews and Christians are to be included in conquest, four verses later is:
9:33 - “It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.”
A couple more samples from the second to last surah:
9:73 - O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.
9:123 "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
29 Nov 23
@rajk999 saidJews are People of the Book not disbelievers or idoloters
This is from the original Hamas Charter [1988]. It was modified a few years ago in 2017, due to pressure from more sane Muslims to tone down the killing. Italics are direct quotes:
They will elimiate Israel:
Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.
[b] Palestine is a Divine Right ie a ...[text shortened]... e hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination. [/i]
29 Nov 23
@sh76 saidSo you’re talking about Sahih Bukhari 2926.
Is this source good enough for you?
https://sunnah.com/search?q=jew+hiding+behind+me
Sahih Bukhari 2928 says they have to fight the Turks too. What do you think about that?
@athousandyoung saidThen why would Hamas use that line in the Charter of 1988? In any case I think it could be argued that even though they were not idolaters they did not believe in Muhammed or respect their Holy Book, and Haddiths.
Jews are People of the Book not disbelievers or idoloters
9:29 - “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”
29 Nov 23
@rajk999 saidI don’t see the word “unbeliever” or “disbeliever anywhere in the 1988 Charter.
Then why would Hamas use that line in the Charter of 1988? In any case I think it could be argued that even though they were not idolaters they did not believe in Muhammed or respect their Holy Book, and Haddiths.
9:29 - “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who ...[text shortened]... ere given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
29 Nov 23
@athousandyoung saidIm referring to the 'killing Jews' business Hamas claimed they want to do. This is 'from Article 7 of the 1988 Hamas Charter
I don’t see the word “unbeliever” or “disbeliever anywhere in the 1988 Charter.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
The time(16) will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: 0 Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad(17), which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim)(18).
29 Nov 23
@rajk999 saidSo, just to make the point clearer: nothing in the quran about chasing Jews out of palestine.
This is from the original Hamas Charter [1988]. It was modified a few years ago in 2017, due to pressure from more sane Muslims to tone down the killing. Italics are direct quotes:
https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818.htm
They will elimiate Israel:
Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predece ...[text shortened]... believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."
@shavixmir saidHere is what I said : Hamas have stated in writing in their Charter that their aim is to eradicate the Jews from Palestine by any means necessary, even quoting the Quran which apparently supports their jihad.
So, just to make the point clearer: nothing in the quran about chasing Jews out of palestine.
Their claim is that the Quran supports their Jihad.
30 Nov 23
@rajk999 saidThen they are wrong, aren’t they.
Here is what I said : Hamas have stated in writing in their Charter that their aim is to eradicate the Jews from Palestine by any means necessary, even quoting the Quran which apparently supports their jihad.
Their claim is that the Quran supports their Jihad.
The Quran does no such thing.
30 Nov 23
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All of this 'reasoning' means nothing. You all write about it as if it is a true issue. It is not. Killing is a sin, so let us end the lives of the killers as soon as possible. Waste them away, which is not the same thing as killing.
I am quite sure that some of you, by your allegiance to the bad side, are in favor of hostage taking. Think about it. Some here are in favor of keeping these people in tunnels, the hell of it all. You are the same crowd that hates Trump. Do you even take baths? Pitiful.
@averagejoe1 saidYou are clearly in favour if splattering babies to the four winds, blowing them to bits whilst they are in their cots.
@shavixmir
All of this 'reasoning' means nothing. You all write about it as if it is a true issue. It is not. Killing is a sin, so let us end the lives of the killers as soon as possible. Waste them away, which is not the same thing as killing.
I am quite sure that some of you, by your allegiance to the bad side, are in favor of hostage taking. Think about it. ...[text shortened]... ls, the hell of it all. You are the same crowd that hates Trump. Do you even take baths? Pitiful.
Clearly your one of the crowd that loves trump, child murdering scum to a man
Explain yourself Joe
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You are clearly in favour if splattering babies to the four winds, blowing them to bits whilst they are in their cots.
Clearly your one of the crowd that loves trump, child murdering scum to a man
Explain yourself Joe
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