If masks work why is covid increasing?

@earl-of-trumps said
Landmark Danish study shows face masks have no significant effect

In the end, there was no statistically significant difference between those who wore masks and those who did not when it came to being infected by Covid-19.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-

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Masks. No help.

That study is wrong...masks have a significant effect on promoting the acceptance of "Shut the f&^# up and do what your told. The state knows best."

@joe-shmo said
That study is wrong...masks have a significant effect on promoting the acceptance of "Shut the f&^# up and do what your told. The state knows best."

Do you remove your shoes before going through security at the airport ?

@mghrn55 said
Do you remove your shoes before going through security at the airport ?

Intellectually dishonest comparison. Checking peoples shoes for bombs before they board an airplane WORKS because people hide bombs in their shoes!

Masks. Don't. Stop. Viruses.

@ponderable said
The point is actually that there were people who fought against seat belts, since it limited their freedom. Today it is a no brainer that wearing seat belts is a good idea.

Pondy, it was *always* a good idea.

I however do not think that threatening people into wearing is a good idea,.

But Pondy, this is a totally different debate.

@joe-shmo said
That study is wrong...masks have a significant effect on promoting the acceptance of "Shut the f&^# up and do what your told. The state knows best."

whatever, man

@joe-shmo said
Intellectually dishonest comparison. Checking peoples shoes for bombs before they board an airplane WORKS because people hide bombs in their shoes!

Masks. Don't. Stop. Viruses.

Of course they do. Not in exactly the way that you think.
But first the shoes.......since the shoe bomber, how many shoes were found to contain explosives ?

Back to the masks, they are not a magic bullet. Not a 100% success.
But the benefit is from a statistical perspective.
Just like social distancing. You're not going to get whacked at 5ft11in and be foolproof at 6ft.

Masks may not completely protect you from the virus. but they will help.
Conversely, the bigger benefit is that the mask will protect you from spreading the virus if you are infected.

A simple experiment should make this obvious.
Without a facial covering, hold your hand 1 foot in front of your face and blow into it.
Then repeat wearing a face mask.
Make your observation.

@mghrn55 said
Of course they do. Not in exactly the way that you think.
But first the shoes.......since the shoe bomber, how many shoes were found to contain explosives ?

Back to the masks, they are not a magic bullet. Not a 100% success.
But the benefit is from a statistical perspective.
Just like social distancing. You're not going to get whacked at 5ft11in and be foolproof at 6ft ...[text shortened]... ot in front of your face and blow into it.
Then repeat wearing a face mask.
Make your observation.

A simple experiment should make this obvious.
Without a facial covering, hold your hand 1 foot in front of your face and blow into it.
Then repeat wearing a face mask.
Make your observation.

Care to elaborate on the how your "hand blowing" experiment tests the hypothesis that masks prevent the spread of the virus to some significant extent? Are you going to publish your findings in a scientific journal so the Danish study Earl highlighted showing NO statistically significant protection from mask in a randomized control trial of 3000 participants may be contested?

Maybe I'm missing something...In my hand, am I supposed to be holding a state of the art viral load sensor? Or perhaps am I measuring the imparted viral momentum based on the deflection of my hand perhaps... How does you "experiment" hope to prove what you say it proves?

Please explain?

@joe-shmo said

A simple experiment should make this obvious.
Without a facial covering, hold your hand 1 foot in front of your face and blow into it.
Then repeat wearing a face mask.
Make your observation.

Care to elaborate on the how your "hand blowing" experiment tests the hypothesis that masks prevent the spread of the virus to some significant extent? Are you goin ...[text shortened]... hand perhaps... How does you "experiment" hope to prove what you say it proves?

Please explain?

a simple example.......and most effective.

A sneeze without a mask can easily go 6ft (and as far as 12ft as measured in some tests).
With a mask, that expulsion distance has been reduced to inches. As tested.

@mghrn55 said
a simple example.......and most effective.

A sneeze without a mask can easily go 6ft (and as far as 12ft as measured in some tests).
With a mask, that expulsion distance has been reduced to inches. As tested.

Well its obvious that your "reduced sneeze projection" theory is not pertinent to the discussion as apparently sneezing into your mask didn't quell the spread.

If the people with masks contract at the same rate as those without the mask as indicated by the study it seems reasonable to expect there is just as little outward protection (as inward protection) gained by mask wearers.

It isn't a one way street. If it gets in easily, it gets out easily.

@joe-shmo said
Well its obvious that your "reduced sneeze projection" theory is not pertinent to the discussion as apparently sneezing into your mask didn't quell the spread.

If the people with masks contract at the same rate as those without the mask as indicated by the study it seems reasonable to expect there is just as little outward protection (as inward protection) gained by mask wearers.

It isn't a one way street. If it gets in easily, it gets out easily.

We are told that a face mask stops you from infecting others, but it doesn't stop others from infecting you.

@torunn said
We are told that a face mask stops you from infecting others, but it doesn't stop others from infecting you.

With all due respect that doesn't make sense.

@joe-shmo said
With all due respect that doesn't make sense.

That's the way it is, according to the health authorities in this country.

@earl-of-trumps said
Landmark Danish study shows face masks have no significant effect

In the end, there was no statistically significant difference between those who wore masks and those who did not when it came to being infected by Covid-19.


https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-

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Masks. No help.

Although nuance isn't exactly this board's strong point, I feel compelled to make two points:

1. The study did show some benefit to masking; the benefit just wasn't statistically significant. This means it didn't show benefit to a ~ 95% degree of certainty; but it does appear likely that masking provides some benefit.

2. The study only looked at the binary outcome of infection vs. no infection. As far as I can tell, it did not track severity of infection. Once benefit of masks may be that it reduces innoculum, thereby making severe sickness less likely, even if some infection still does occur.

@joe-shmo said
Well its obvious that your "reduced sneeze projection" theory is not pertinent to the discussion as apparently sneezing into your mask didn't quell the spread.

If the people with masks contract at the same rate as those without the mask as indicated by the study it seems reasonable to expect there is just as little outward protection (as inward protection) gained by mask wearers.

It isn't a one way street. If it gets in easily, it gets out easily.

It's exactly pertinent.
If you're alluding to the rise in cases, then that would be a topic for discussion on the 2nd wave.
Of course, if you have gatherings like the White House confirmation party of Barrett to SCOTUS where there were no masks amongst people standing next to each other, then the mask effectiveness discussion is moot.
Same with the Trump "victory party" on election night.

Or perhaps you are trying to start up a new narrative. The election was stolen.
But the Dems didn't steal the election. COVID did !!
With all the bad optics Trump created around that through the course of the pandemic..... have fun with that !!

@torunn said
We are told that a face mask stops you from infecting others, but it doesn't stop others from infecting you.

The benefit to other is greater, but there's clearly some benefit to the wearer; both in terms of decreased likelihood of infection and lower viral dose exposure.

The test was run with surgical masks. Personally, I use K95's. While not as good as N95s, the data indicates they're 30% better than surgical masks.