If Trump is as bad as the Democrats say he is...

@mott-the-hoople said
one war started, another about to be, people thrown to the wolves in afghanistan, $7, 000 less per year, gas prices tripled...who the fuk is the fool?

I think the answer to that is obvious. So obvious you can't see it past your shame of being conned, early and often.

@techsouth said
I did a google search and constrained the dates to 1/1/2020 through 3/31/2020.

I searched on the phrase "trump suggest election is unfair" without quotes. I did not find anything like what you're saying.

My memory might be faulty, but I am pretty sure the comparisons to Germany in the 1930s came long before 2020 even.

But what do you think? Would it be fair to ...[text shortened]... other than that? To me, that seems like something that didn't come much into play until late 2020.

Ahem.

The election was November 3rd, 2020.

Try a bit closer to that.

@suzianne said
Ahem.

The election was November 3rd, 2020.

Try a bit closer to that.

That would be a good idea if the following were true:

Prior to March 31st 2020, Democrats generally thought Trump was not so horrible.

Do you understand why I put the date filter on in the first place?

@techsouth said
I did a google search and constrained the dates to 1/1/2020 through 3/31/2020.

I searched on the phrase "trump suggest election is unfair" without quotes. I did not find anything like what you're saying.

My memory might be faulty, but I am pretty sure the comparisons to Germany in the 1930s came long before 2020 even.

But what do you think? Would it be fair to ...[text shortened]... other than that? To me, that seems like something that didn't come much into play until late 2020.

Lol why those dates. I just googled it too. Two days ago trump was saying that he should be "declared the rightful winner" and that the 2020 election was "irreparably compromised".

There were only three things I didn't like about trump

1) the election was rigged.

2) COVID is a democrat hoax.

3) spending his way out of everything.

@wildgrass said
Lol why those dates. I just googled it too. Two days ago trump was saying that he should be "declared the rightful winner" and that the 2020 election was "irreparably compromised".

There were only three things I didn't like about trump

1) the election was rigged.

2) COVID is a democrat hoax.

3) spending his way out of everything.

Do you understand the context of this conversation?

Edit: #1 happened during and/or after the election. That would not be the bases for an opponent to cheat to stop Trump because that happened AFTER the Democrats decided Trump was destroying America.

#2: Debunked: https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/08/ask-politifact-are-you-sure-donald-trump-didnt-cal/

Even if that were true, that's hardly a reason to consider Trump an epic risk to our Republic.

#3: Compared to who?

@techsouth said
Do you understand the context of this conversation?

I guess not lol. You were defending trump, but then comparing trump to Hitler. You are saying some number of people think trump's really bad but not sure exactly what bad means or what Democrats think this, citing opinion articles written by journalists not politicians. who are you referring to saying bad things about trump and what bad things are really bad remains unclear. At least to me.

@wildgrass said
I guess not lol. You were defending trump, but then comparing trump to Hitler. You are saying some number of people think trump's really bad but not sure exactly what bad means or what Democrats think this, citing opinion articles written by journalists not politicians. who are you referring to saying bad things about trump and what bad things are really bad remains unclear. At least to me.

Okay, I edited my last response, but likely too late for you to have read. My bad for posting to quickly.

I may from time to time defend Trump on a subset of issues. Even if I thought 100% of Trumps action were defensible (which I don't), I'd rather poke a pitch-fork in my eye than to endeavor to put forth the strongest possible defense in every case I might be able to. But the purpose of this thread is to ask the question in the OP.

Obviously if we opened everything for discussion we'd disagree on many things. But I thought every adult could agree without controversy that as of 2018 or 2019 the Democrats in general had come to a consensus that Trump was absolutely horrible. I put forth an example early in the thread from the Washington Post (hardly a backwater publication). Here is the title: "Don't Compare Trump to Hitler: It Belittles Hilter".

I would not have thought it was necessary to agree on EXACTLY what ways Trump was bad to at least all agree that Democrats saw him as the embodiment of evil. Not just evil, but stupid too.

It goes without saying that if Republicans and Democrats discussed these things they would not agree on what is true and would not share the same opinions. Can we agree that at least for this one thread we leave that discussion off to the side? There are literally millions of places online where we can all continue to cut and paste the same points over and over until are hearts are content. The question is premised on what Democrats in general believe and are their actions consistent?

There were 81 million people who voted for Biden. Can you give me the courtesy of not having to recreate verbose sentences over and over and over? When I say "Democrats thought Trump was horrible" that I am not necessarily referring to ever single one, but rather a very significant number which seems to include many frequent posters here.

The question is that if you believe Trump was as bad as generally believed by Democrats, would you cheat or turn a blind eye to cheating in the 2020 election. Since any significant cheating would have had to begin at least by summer of 2020, his claims of election fraud don't seem like they could have been part of the motivator I'm proposing.

And who really expects us to catch someone saying "I was willing to cheat in the election because I got mad at Trump saying there was cheating in the election?"

@techsouth said
Okay, I edited my last response, but likely too late for you to have read. My bad for posting to quickly.

I may from time to time defend Trump on a subset of issues. Even if I thought 100% of Trumps action were defensible (which I don't), I'd rather poke a pitch-fork in my eye than to endeavor to put forth the strongest possible defense in every case I might be able to ...[text shortened]... ling to cheat in the election because I got mad at Trump saying there was cheating in the election?"

You've set off on a false premise because Trump said his primary loss in Iowa in 2016 was rigged and he continued to argue the general election in 2016 was rigged even after he won it.

Trump is unable to accept the results of democratic elections. I don't understand how that in any way should be a source of disagreement. That is a fact.

Your question has already been answered a few times so if that's the only reason you are still posting I think we're done.

There's no evidence the election was rigged. He still keeps saying it was rigged. Thats a big reason people don't like him and voted (legally) for the other guy.

@techsouth said
Obviously it didn't happen in 2020. We've been told our elections are the most secure ever and totally hack proof.

I see what you did there.

Yes, I have you pegged correctly.

@soothfast said
I see what you did there.

Yes, I have you pegged correctly.

Wow! You pegged me even more than my own wife!

BTW: What exactly did I do there?

@wildgrass said
You've set off on a false premise because Trump said his primary loss in Iowa in 2016 was rigged and he continued to argue the general election in 2016 was rigged even after he won it.

Trump is unable to accept the results of democratic elections. I don't understand how that in any way should be a source of disagreement. That is a fact.

Your question has already been ...[text shortened]... aying it was rigged. Thats a big reason people don't like him and voted (legally) for the other guy.

Wow! I thought I kept up with news and remembered the past better than most.

You're saying all this fuss through out 2018 and 2019 about how horrible Trump was hinged on his claims about the Iowa primary loss? Pardon me, but I had totally forgot that. And even though Democrats seem to remember it well, I've not encountered anyone writing about it from at least 2018 until just now.

I don't want to project thoughts onto other people, but I've been thinking it was lots of other things.

I kind of assumed everyone had seen this. Maybe not... https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1540083271526236165

The OP question was a general question asking all who cares to answer to answer.

You answered immediately and kudos to you for that.

@techsouth said
Wow! I thought I kept up with news and remembered the past better than most.

You're saying all this fuss through out 2018 and 2019 about how horrible Trump was hinged on his claims about the Iowa primary loss? Pardon me, but I had totally forgot that. And even though Democrats seem to remember it well, I've not encountered anyone writing about it from at least 2018 un ...[text shortened]... n asking all who cares to answer to answer.

You answered immediately and kudos to you for that.

Yeah I'm not a Democrat but there was a lot of concern from 2016 onward that trump's rhetoric was delegitimizing elections. It started in Iowa and built from there. Hillary talked about it during their debates. In the 2020 campaign buildup we remember of course there was near daily accusations of rigged elections from trump people well before the election even happened. Like babe Ruth calling his shot but the opposite. Many ignored or downplayed the warning signs saying yeah I know it seems bad but there's no way he just wouldn't leave office if he lost right? And then obviously the aftermath and the legal efforts to overturn results went well beyond simple rhetoric. And the dangerous rhetoric that remains in place today questioning Biden as legitimate.

What a coward not even showing up for bidens inauguration right?

@wildgrass said
Yeah I'm not a Democrat but there was a lot of concern from 2016 onward that trump's rhetoric was delegitimizing elections. It started in Iowa and built from there. Hillary talked about it during their debates. In the 2020 campaign buildup we remember of course there was near daily accusations of rigged elections from trump people well before the election even happened. Lik ...[text shortened]... questioning Biden as legitimate.

What a coward not even showing up for bidens inauguration right?

Would have been a lot more presidential to attend the inauguration.

Also, I saw this in another thread and almost commented there. The latest legislation to control prescription drug prices is a good accomplishment by the Ds. I generally favor erring on the side of letting businesses make their own decisions on price freely, but just like the monopolies of 100+ years ago sucked bad for everyone, the pharmaceuticals kind of brought this on themselves.

Curious, when Democrats delegitimize elections, is that not concerning too?

@techsouth said
If Trump is as bad as the Democrats say he is, would you help cheat in an election to prevent him from being reelected? Or, would you turn a blind eye while someone else cheated? This is all assuming you could get away with it.

Of course they would.
"By Any Means Necessary" is their battle cry and their motto. It defines who the Democrats are.

@jj-adams said
Of course they would.
"By Any Means Necessary" is their battle cry and their motto. It defines who the Democrats are.

I see this has become the poster thread for irony.