03 Sep 22
@techsouth saidTexas is another:
You realize the game Democrats play to create the perception of long voting lines don't you?
Take this article. https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54532189
Here is a tweet quoted in the article...
[i]I have voted all my life. But when I rolled up to Friendship-West Baptist Church this AM, and I saw this massive line after the polls had been open 27 minutes, ...[text shortened]... many of us are standing in long lines to vote is more a narrative spun by democrats than a reality.
"The analysis finds that the 50 counties that gained the most Black and Latinx residents between 2012 and 2018 closed 542 polling sites, compared to just 34 closures in the 50 counties that have gained the fewest black and Latinx residents. This is despite the fact that the population in the former group of counties has risen by 2.5 million people, whereas in the latter category the total population has fallen by over 13,000."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/02/texas-polling-sites-closures-voting
Really Republican legislatures have been completely brazen about this so you pretending it's not true is either outright dishonesty or deliberate ignorance.
Which one, TS?
@techsouth saidGood question. Yes. That's concerning.
Would have been a lot more presidential to attend the inauguration.
Also, I saw this in another thread and almost commented there. The latest legislation to control prescription drug prices is a good accomplishment by the Ds. I generally favor erring on the side of letting businesses make their own decisions on price freely, but just like the monopolies of 100+ years a ...[text shortened]... this on themselves.
Curious, when Democrats delegitimize elections, is that not concerning too?
Nothing comes to mind that's remotely near Trump level though. Hillary was mad but ultimately conceded. Also, the Russian interference thing actually happened, but in Trump-land we have dead people voting, bamboo ballots, corrupt poll workers, voting machines hacked by Chyna, etc. All false allegations, spread by him to sow doubt, and never corrected.
Not to mention that Trump is still asking to be reinstated as the true President.
04 Sep 22
@wildgrass saidI'm pretty sure Trump is saying that for effect and has no real expectation. It gets attention. Here we are talking about it.
Good question. Yes. That's concerning.
Nothing comes to mind that's remotely near Trump level though. Hillary was mad but ultimately conceded. Also, the Russian interference thing actually happened, but in Trump-land we have dead people voting, bamboo ballots, corrupt poll workers, voting machines hacked by Chyna, etc. All false allegations, spread by him to sow doubt, a ...[text shortened]... ever corrected.
Not to mention that Trump is still asking to be reinstated as the true President.
You mention Hillary conceding. I would have assumed you are familiar with much of the same stuff I am. Now I don't know if that's not the case, or if you have seen all the same stuff and just see things differently.
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04 Sep 22
@techsouth saidOh, he has an expectation alright. And you're fulfilling it.
I'm pretty sure Trump is saying that for effect and has no real expectation.
@techsouth
Let a picture speak a thousand words:
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/01/1120323225/why-the-dojs-photo-of-top-secret-documents-held-by-trump-matters
Show me ANY US POTUS other than Trump who would have TS/CSI level docs IN HIS BEDROOM and office right next to his own passports.
You figure nothing wrong with that?
Even MORE unnerving, the EMPTY folders, what happened to THOSE docs, eh?
Sold to the highest bidder sounds about right to me.
The fact Trump had those docs in a box with MAGAZINES like Time shows clearly the disdain Trump felt towards the seriousness of what he has done.
But you would yell HE DECLASSIFIED, that makes it SO much safer, he can then reveal the names of informants and American spies and nobody will get killed now that the docs have been allegedly declassified, right?
What the HELL is wrong with you? Do you think these are GAMES we are playing when there are real enemies of the US in the world? Do you think it would be ok if the leaders of IRAN got those docs or Putin?
Or would it be, it's ok ONLY if it is a Repub POTUS. If it was a DEM POTUS, TRAITOR, SHOOT HIM AT DAWN.
05 Sep 22
@shallow-blue saidI'm fulfilling it by NOT supporting the idea?
Oh, he has an expectation alright. And you're fulfilling it.
Please elaborate?
05 Sep 22
@sonhouse saidLet me see if I can state you're argument. Let me know if I misunderstand.
@techsouth
Let a picture speak a thousand words:
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/01/1120323225/why-the-dojs-photo-of-top-secret-documents-held-by-trump-matters
Show me ANY US POTUS other than Trump who would have TS/CSI level docs IN HIS BEDROOM and office right next to his own passports.
You figure nothing wrong with that?
Even MORE unnerving, the EMPTY folders, wh ...[text shortened]... would it be, it's ok ONLY if it is a Repub POTUS. If it was a DEM POTUS, TRAITOR, SHOOT HIM AT DAWN.
Here are are stipulated facts:
1. Some top secret documents in some places contain names of foreign agents that would be killed if exposed.
2. Trump had some top secret document.
From that we can conclude that the specific documents Trump had contained the names of foreign agents. ...And that he intended to sell them out.
Is that a fair summary of your argument?
I felt like basic logic was a a strength of mine. But I'll admit I am not able to see how the above argument could be considered a sound argument.
Let me restate my position...
If it is found that Trump is selling out foreign agents for money, I'll join you in your contempt for Trump. I find that unlikely though. If it is found the documents are inconsequential to national security, or perhaps consist on "dirt" against Democrats, my emotional posture toward this will not be the same as if he were selling out foreign agents.
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05 Sep 22
@techsouth saidWell thought out response and dead-on, all these accusations against Trump have been going on since his first day in office and it's pathetic that the Dem party has continued to persecute him.
Let me see if I can state you're argument. Let me know if I misunderstand.
Here are are stipulated facts:
1. Some top secret documents in some places contain names of foreign agents that would be killed if exposed.
2. Trump had some top secret document.
From that we can conclude that the specific documents Trump had contained the names of foreign agents. ...[text shortened]... ats, my emotional posture toward this will not be the same as if he were selling out foreign agents.
@techsouth saidNo your right but your wrong if your assumption is that they do not contain that level of sensitive information and that the FBI and DOJ are playing politics by searching Mar a Largo to find out exactly what they do contain and potentially what damage may have been done to US interests and assets.
Let me see if I can state you're argument. Let me know if I misunderstand.
Here are are stipulated facts:
1. Some top secret documents in some places contain names of foreign agents that would be killed if exposed.
2. Trump had some top secret document.
From that we can conclude that the specific documents Trump had contained the names of foreign agents. ...[text shortened]... ats, my emotional posture toward this will not be the same as if he were selling out foreign agents.
05 Sep 22
@kevcvs57 saidI'm not the one assuming.
No your right but your wrong if your assumption is that they do not contain that level of sensitive information and that the FBI and DOJ are playing politics by searching Mar a Largo to find out exactly what they do contain and potentially what damage may have been done to US interests and assets.
I have stated many times here that I don't know what is in the documents.
It is a possibility that this is an honest investigation.
It is also a possibility that this is political (after nearly 6 years of watching things play out, unfortunately we cannot dismiss this possibility).
I am saying that my level of anger (or lack thereof), would need to hinge on what is actually in the documents, not what might be in other top secret documents in other places. Also, my level of anger hinges on what was done, or was intended to be done with the documents, not on what some hypothetical other person might do with other top secret documents.
Also, I cannot make myself unaware of the fact that Mar-Largo is guarded by secret service and so is not just any old "unsecure" location.
05 Sep 22
@no1marauder saidWhen I see such negligent reporting as in the article I posted earlier, I begin to suspect that they've not really done a complete job in any of their analysis.
Texas is another:
"The analysis finds that the 50 counties that gained the most Black and Latinx residents between 2012 and 2018 closed 542 polling sites, compared to just 34 closures in the 50 counties that have gained the fewest black and Latinx residents. This is despite the fact that the population in the former group of counties has risen by 2.5 million people, wh ...[text shortened]... ou pretending it's not true is either outright dishonesty or deliberate ignorance.
Which one, TS?
When someone is obviously trying to mislead in regards to things I can easily check, I tend to not trust anything else they write even when I can't check.
@techsouth said
I'm pretty sure Trump is saying that for effect and has no real expectation. It gets attention. Here we are talking about it.
You mention Hillary conceding. I would have assumed you are familiar with much of the same stuff I am. Now I don't know if that's not the case, or if you have seen all the same stuff and just see things differently.
I'm pretty sure Trump is saying that for effect and has no real expectation.
You're pretty sure? That used to be the talking point. But, then.... after the last election he hired an army of lawyers to try to figure out how the language in the constitution could be distorted so that he could remain in office despite losing an election. He and several of his political friends and advisors called Secretaries of States asking to find more votes (after the election). He wrote up fake paperwork for slates of electors to vote for him in the states he lost. He lost over and over again in court trying to tout outlandish conspiracy theories. Millions of dollars were spent on election audits that found no evidence of any systemic fraud, and yet the lies kept coming. He invented, disseminated and spread unfounded rumors about Dems cheating. He encouraged a mob to loot the Capitol building during the certification. He refused to concede. He didn't show up for the inauguration.
All that effort with no real expectation? Why then?
05 Sep 22
@techsouth
The only hitch is the fact Trump had those docs all over his residence, in his bedroom in his '45' office and in the basement.
You tell me just how secure that would have been and how hard it would have been for a spy to have access.
I guess that doesn't matter either since you THINK Trump 'declassified' those docs so that MUST make it SO much safer and no spy would bother using cell phone to copy them, right?
05 Sep 22
@techsouth saidIt’s a holiday resort it’s not guarded at all if you can afford the membership fees. So all your scepticism is based on the idea that they had no right to even try and ascertain what was in the documents that trump denied possession of.
I'm not the one assuming.
I have stated many times here that I don't know what is in the documents.
It is a possibility that this is an honest investigation.
It is also a possibility that this is political (after nearly 6 years of watching things play out, unfortunately we cannot dismiss this possibility).
I am saying that my level of anger (or lack thereof), wo ...[text shortened]... the fact that Mar-Largo is guarded by secret service and so is not just any old "unsecure" location.
There is only one person responsible for search of Mar a largo and that’s trump for not complying with constant requests to return or at least itemise the documents and forward the contents to the DOJ or FBI. Another option is that there actually is nothing of consequence and trump engineered this to fire up the base and give his narcissistic personality the victim hood it prefers to just being a loser.