04 May 04
What do people think about the photos of British soldiers abusing Iraqi Prisoners? I read quite a bit about how they could be fakes..but I am not sure of what to believe myself (I doubt ne1 could be these days....) I've met quite a few squaddies and I think it could be easily possible. What are we to make of them? - is this sort of thing just to be expected? Do we blame somebody? Are they real? Who knows? What do we believe?
LBII
04 May 04
Originally posted by LordbensonbyIISince the beginning of time when Man has gone to war, prisoners have been mistreated by varying degrees of abuse...the Romans did it, the Carthaginians, Egyptians, Huns, Goths....did it; every nation that has gone to war has had some of their soldires act unaccordingly....and it will happen again...just a fact of war. What the Arab world needs to understand is that it was an isolated incident and doesn't reflect how American and British soldiers normally react with prisoners of war. It is the media's responsibilty, hello, AL-JAZEERA, to put this in perspective...😉
What do people think about the photos of British soldiers abusing Iraqi Prisoners? I read quite a bit about how they could be fakes..but I am not sure of what to believe myself (I doubt ne1 could be these days....) I've met quite a few squaddies and I think it could be easily possible. What are we to make of them? - is this sort of thing just to be expected? Do we blame somebody? Are they real? Who knows? What do we believe?
LBII
05 May 04
Originally posted by LordbensonbyIIWaiting for more evidence about these photos.
What do people think about the photos of British soldiers abusing Iraqi Prisoners? I read quite a bit about how they could be fakes..but I am not sure of what to believe myself (I doubt ne1 could be these days....) I've met quite a few squaddies and I think it could be easily possible. What are we to make of them? - is this sort of thing just to be expected? Do we blame somebody? Are they real? Who knows? What do we believe?
LBII
I would expect someone to bring forward evidence like this out of their desire to do the right thing. They need to front up with names and dates.
Were they paid for them?
05 May 04
In the media, and in the western world we are all appalled by the photographs it seems. There is all sorts of outrage being expressed - which, naturally, if they are real is good. How come we don't see the arab press - or arab states ever procrostonating and dwelling in such self doubt? Don't want to do a kliroy here...but when is Al'jazeera ever critical of itself and introspective?
05 May 04
Originally posted by chancremechanicRubbish.
Since the beginning of time when Man has gone to war, prisoners have been mistreated by varying degrees of abuse...the Romans did it, the Carthaginians, Egyptians, Huns, Goths....did it; every nation that has gone to war has had some of their soldires act unaccordingly....and it will happen again...just a fact of war. What the Arab world needs to und ...[text shortened]... ers of war. It is the media's responsibilty, hello, AL-JAZEERA, to put this in perspective...😉
Put anyone in that position of power without control and they will mis-behave.
Nowadays we have the red cross. If you have prisoners, have the red cross. Simple as that.
But then again, having the Red Cross in these prisons would mean no more torture, wouldn't it? And that would lead less information...I'm sure.....
06 May 04
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Originally posted by shavixmirYou're so naive, it's not funny...get your head out of the sand or whatever dark orifice you have place it...go read some history of wars and see what I mean about prisoner mistreatment....go read about the Battan Death March...ever heard of It?...they probably don't teach about it in Dutch schools...go read abour the rape of Nanking by the Japanese...quit reading about Michael Jackson and read some history...🙄 😲
Rubbish.
Put anyone in that position of power without control and they will mis-behave.
Nowadays we have the red cross. If you have prisoners, have the red cross. Simple as that.
But then again, having the Red Cross in these priso ...[text shortened]... ouldn't it? And that would lead less information...I'm sure.....
06 May 04
Originally posted by chancremechanic
You're so naive, it's not funny...get your head out of the sand or whatever dark orifice you have place it...go read some history of wars and see what I mean about prisoner mistreatment....go read about the Battan Death March...ever heard of It?...they probably don't teach about it in Dutch schools...go read abour the rape of Nanking by the Japanese...quit reading about Michael Jackson and read some history...🙄 😲
I don't think Shavix went to any Dutch schools at all, since he is Scottish .... true or not Shavix ?
06 May 04
IOriginally posted by chancremechanicLet me guess...
You're so naive, it's not funny...get your head out of the sand or whatever dark orifice you have place it...go read some history of wars and see what I mean about prisoner mistreatment....go read about the Battan Death March...ever heard of It?...they probably don't teach about it in Dutch schools...go read abour the rape of Nanking by the Japanese...quit reading about Michael Jackson and read some history...🙄 😲
In every case of prisoner mis-treatment you mention...there was no red-cross presence. Was there?
There was no one there to make sure there was no absolute power. Was there?
Nope. My point exactly.
Perhaps you should buy reading glasses so you can understand what you're reading.
You do know how to read, don't you?
06 May 04
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Originally posted by chancremechanicMany Japanese soldiers were war criminals and some were hanged for their part in mistreatment of prisoners. Japan and Germany still live with the shame of their troop's actions, even though most of their people were not born when these atrocities occured.
You're so naive, it's not funny...get your head out of the sand or whatever dark orifice you have place it...go read some history of wars and see what I mean about prisoner mistreatment....go read about the Battan Death March...ev ...[text shortened]... ..quit reading about Michael Jackson and read some history...🙄 😲
Are you really trying to excuse American troop's actions by comparing them with the fascist forces of World War Two? I think it shows you have a pretty low regard for the decency of your fighting men.
07 May 04
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Originally posted by shavixmirAre you that dense?!! How can the red cross be everywhere at anytime...my point is that mistreatment of prisoners has been going on for ages... Yeah, I know how to read...can you THINK??? 🙄
Let me guess...
In every case of prisoner mis-treatment you mention...there was no red-cross presence. Was there?
There was no one there to make sure there was no absolute power. Was there?
Nope. My point exactly.
Perhaps you sho ...[text shortened]... hat you're reading.
You do know how to read, don't you?
07 May 04
Originally posted by steerpikeYou are another one that puts words in my mouth...are you and shavixmir brothers? Where did I compare my country's troop behavior with those of the Axis forces? I was simply pointing out that it is not an AMERICAN phenomenon...I hold the esteem of my combat brothers in the highest regard....insinuating that I don't is insulting...ðŸ˜
Many Japanese soldiers were war criminals and some were hanged for their part in mistreatment of prisoners. Japan and Germany still live with the shame of their troop's actions, even though most of their people were not born when these atrocities occured.
Are you really trying to excuse American troop's actions by comparing them with the fascist forc ...[text shortened]... ld War Two? I think it shows you have a pretty low regard for the decency of your fighting men.
07 May 04
Originally posted by chancremechanicYes.
Are you that dense?!! How can the red cross be everywhere at anytime...my point is that mistreatment of prisoners has been going on for ages... Yeah, I know how to read...can you THINK??? 🙄
But, you would agree then, that having the red cross present at prisoner locations would diminish the chances of torture, many fold?
So, is the answer:
a: There's not enough red cross people, so that isn't the solution or
b: Make sure there are enough red cross people, so that it becomes the solution?
07 May 04
Originally posted by chancremechanicSorry, a bit of a low blow. Have to fight the tendency to be a smart-arse. 😳
You are another one that puts words in my mouth...are you and shavixmir brothers? Where did I compare my country's troop behavior with those of the Axis forces? I was simply pointing out that it is not an AMERICAN phenomenon...I hold the esteem of my combat brothers in the highest regard....insinuating that I don't is insulting...ðŸ˜
Interesting that the prison bullies are not combat troops - I think these look to be a lower form of soldier - if I can be permitted to criticise any of your troops.
I am more interested in how you resolve it. It was Americans who uncovered it and Americans who reported it after all. Up to you guys now to have the decency to sort out responsibility. So far, I have no reason to doubt your resolve.