21 Jun 23
@kevcvs57 saidWell they'd have to be good at running a business.
The only person that trump wanted to make money for was trump and ‘the country’ would be a lumpen masse of looosers in his eyes.
A country should be run like an economically viable cooperative a healthy mix of profit motive and a fair deal for those on the factory floor.
Unfortunately we usually get asset strippers and robber barons
21 Jun 23
@yo-its-me saidYes, Brexit has been bad for the UK. The leavers did not get what they thought they would. They were lied to. Businessmen knew it would be bad and said so, and they should have been heeded. That does not mean businessmen should have made the decision.
The average electorate doesn't know what they want. Take Brexit: the UK had a clear opertunity to directly have their vote count (no first past the post counting of votes), but they were given no information just a campaign from the leave side (a very different approach in other EU states before they voted): the result has been disastrous for the UK.
A business approach w ...[text shortened]... potential break before a vote was made.
There are laws in business too that have to be followed.
PM Cameron was a fool; he assumed the stay side would win the referendum and made no real effort to inform the public what the consequences of leaving would be.
@divegeester saidThe two-party system in America is broken. Neither party represents what most Americans want, which is moderation, tolerance of difference, sensible gun control, sensible immigration policy, affordable medical care, abortion rights, equal opportunity for women and minorities ( which is NOT equal to everyone gets the same result ), minimum necessary govt interference in people’s private lives to ensure domestic tranquility, and accountability of govt officers (including political leaders and police). Which party stands for that, please? Republicans are cowed by a demagogue, and the Democrats can’t find an experienced candidate who’s not senile.
It is an enduring malaise that in a country the size of the USA, the only meaningful choice is between Trump and Biden.
21 Jun 23
@moonbus saidA good businessmen, if Cameron had been such, would have made sure everyone who had a say in the decision was informed of the choice. David thought the choice was obvious because it was obvious to him, but the head of a company knows they have more information infront of them than the workers.
Yes, Brexit has been bad for the UK. The leavers did not get what they thought they would. They were lied to. Businessmen knew it would be bad and said so, and they should have been heeded. That does not mean businessmen should have made the decision.
PM Cameron was a fool; he assumed the stay side would win the referendum and made no real effort to inform the public what the consequences of leaving would be.
21 Jun 23
@yo-its-me saidHas Biden started a war with North Korea or Russia?
But no wars were started with North Korea or with Russia while Trump was rubbing their egos and that's the goal.
Trump was out for himself, yes. Like I said, he wasn't a good leader. I'm saying maybe politicians aren't approaching these crazy heads across the world in a way that keeps the end goal in mind, whereas a business approach perhaps will.
That’s a rhetorical question because he has not.
Russia has started a war after being emboldened by four years of trump telling him that nato was finished and the world was the kremlins oyster.
21 Jun 23
@yo-its-me said"I'm not saying Trump was a good business man, I'm saying maybe there's something about the approach a business man has that would work well with running a country. "
I'm not saying Trump was a good business man, I'm saying maybe there's something about the approach a business man has that would work well with running a country.
In general USA presidents haven't been peacekeepers. Do you think Putin would end his war if he could and save face? I do. And I think a business woman or man could facilitate that better than a politician.
...[text shortened]... re loosing money then I'd restructure them. People don't want handouts generally, they want handups.
Like what?
"A business must care for its employees. "
A business is FORCED to care for its employees by government regulations. Without government regulations you have child labour(somehow, the US is bringing this back), 12 hour work shifts, low wages, unsafe work conditions, etc
Nowhere in the capitalist bible does it say a business must care for its employees. A business is supposed to make profit.
"If I was running a business and the branches Alabama, Arkansas & Kentucky were loosing money then I'd restructure them"
How? That's not a magic fix all word. What if the next president/CEO decides Alabama is just not worth the hassle and sells it to China? He will present a bottom line to "investors" and show a plus sign. Mission accomplished, right? The business shows more profit.
"People don't want handouts generally, they want handups."
That's fortune cookie wisdom. Get into details. You would realize that what some people see as handouts other people see as entitlements, paid for by taxes. As in, i am entitled to healthcare because i am a citizen and i pay taxes.
Not to mention that those people see things as handouts because some Fox Business millionaire talking head told them they should resent people getting treated at the hospital for free and not the greedy multi billion pharma companies that made healthcare so expensive in the first place. That they should resent kids getting a good and free education and not resent the billionaires trying to keep future generations ignorant.
21 Jun 23
@yo-its-me saidA good politician, if Cameron had been one, would not have held a referendum without knowing in advance what the outcome would be. He let himself be stampeded into it, woefully unprepared. A good politician, if Cameron had been one, would have solicited expert advice from many sectors, including diplomats and businessmen, and correctly and truthfully informed the voting public of the advantages and disadvantages, and especially the costs, of staying or leaving the EU. Cameron did none of that. He sleepwalked through his caretakership of the administration.
A good businessmen, if Cameron had been such, would have made sure everyone who had a say in the decision was informed of the choice. David thought the choice was obvious because it was obvious to him, but the head of a company knows they have more information infront of them than the workers.
21 Jun 23
@sonhouse saidZzzzzzz
@yo-its-me
Do you really think Putin and Kim actually LIKED Trump? They were using him and played him like a fiddle. Made both countries look much stronger than they really were.
Sucking up to dictators shows ME only one thing, Trump is a wannabe dictator.
I think it will eventually be proven in court he was in actual fact treasonous. Showing classified docs to people a ...[text shortened]... ve whatever comes of all this.
I ONLY WANT TO FIND 11780 VOTES may be a 22nd century pejorative....
21 Jun 23
@yo-its-me saidOut for himself? So? Me, too. Better than a puppet, bad breath and all. He can be all about himself and do great things. He would LOVE to face down Xi and Putin. He would do that, but, ooooo, god forbid he might brag about how good he is.
But no wars were started with North Korea or with Russia while Trump was rubbing their egos and that's the goal.
Trump was out for himself, yes. Like I said, he wasn't a good leader. I'm saying maybe politicians aren't approaching these crazy heads across the world in a way that keeps the end goal in mind, whereas a business approach perhaps will.
You libs don’t like successful strong self-reliant independent people.
Why.?
21 Jun 23
@averagejoe1 said“He would LOVE to face down Xi and Putin. He would do that”
Out for himself? So? Me, too. Better than a puppet, bad breath and all. He can be all about himself and do great things. He would LOVE to face down Xi and Putin. He would do that, but, ooooo, god forbid he might brag about how good he is.
You libs don’t like successful strong self-reliant independent people.
Why.?
Hahaha
I believe the term is ‘go down’ joe not ‘face down’ that’s something else completely.
Yeah we all saw him facing down Putin 😂😂 the man child Trump has a permanent squeaky bum.
21 Jun 23
@averagejoe1 saidYou're quick to call immigrants 'illegal' before they've been convicted but not Trump you hypocrite
Thankyou. Do you know these weaklings have no good reason to not want Trump? He Likes sex, et al, like Clinton; bad breath, brags, but is as yet not guilty of anything, so, assuming he is not, for a moment, do you like him up against Xi and Putin, or rather Biden?
21 Jun 23
@AverageJoe1 said - "You libs don’t like successful strong self-reliant independent people.
Why.?"
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Brace yourself, Joe... the libs hate anyone that can thrive without government. It's a 'control' Problem, Joe.
22 Jun 23
@earl-of-trumps saidPosts like the Thousand poster above boggle the mind. Since he is wrong, how does one answer it? Need I bother saying why it is wrong?
@AverageJoe1 said - "You libs don’t like successful strong self-reliant independent people.
Why.?"
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Brace yourself, Joe... the libs hate anyone that can thrive without government. It's a 'control' Problem, Joe.
22 Jun 23
@averagejoe1 saidOut for the country is better though, running a country like a company and circulating the profits back into it.
Out for himself? So? Me, too. Better than a puppet, bad breath and all. He can be all about himself and do great things. He would LOVE to face down Xi and Putin. He would do that, but, ooooo, god forbid he might brag about how good he is.
You libs don’t like successful strong self-reliant independent people.
Why.?
Of cause everyone wants a strong leader. Self-reliant and independent (?) not sure what you mean here. A grownup, if that's what you mean.
22 Jun 23
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@yo-its-me saidIf a country has one leader ( I personally would like a triumvirate, to avoid probs like Biden), he must be strong.... what do I mean? Not be controlled by other people. We want HIM. You realize, of course, that we do not know who is running this country? Is it Soros? Susan Rice?
Out for the country is better though, running a country like a company and circulating the profits back into it.
Of cause everyone wants a strong leader. Self-reliant and independent (?) not sure what you mean here. A grownup, if that's what you mean.
So, to be strong, one must be self-reliant, independent, and all that the word 'grownup' encompasses.
I get your first sentence, he should be 'out for the country'. Right on. So, exemplify personal strength, Mr. President, and your citizens will be strong as well. Exemplify Biden-esque, and the country is anything but strong.