is BUSH a war criminal?

Originally posted by MacSwain
Should all the permenant members of the UN Security Council be tried for falsely accusing Saddam of manufacturing WMD - which they followed by over a dozen resolutions against Iraq then approving action against Saddam when he threw the UN inspectors out of Iraq?

Aye...hang the lot!

actually, the UN only accused Saddam, and only demanded full access to investigate the possibility. what you are saying is similar with me accusing someone of theft, the police beating the crap out of that someone and then me taking the fall for the said beating. get a clue man

Originally posted by steponup
Should George Bush be tried and sent to prison for attacking Iraq without any provocation.
Did he lie intentionally so he could attack Iraq?

...or, should he be thanked by the rest of the developed nations since they're too effete and corrupt to do the heavy lifting necessary to secure any sort of lasting peace in the area?

Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
...or, should he be thanked by the rest of the developed nations since they're too effete and corrupt to do the heavy lifting necessary to secure any sort of lasting peace in the area?

do you think the US can do the heavy lifting necessary to secure any sort of lasting peace in the area?

Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
...or, should he be thanked by the rest of the developed nations since they're too effete and corrupt to do the heavy lifting necessary to secure any sort of lasting peace in the area?

I didn't see a war in the area before the US went plundering in.

Originally posted by invigorate
I didn't see a war in the area before the US went plundering in.

You missed the multiple wars against Israel, Hezbollah and Fatah duking it out,the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Iraq/Iranian war? Were you asleep during this time or not born yet?

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
actually, the UN only accused Saddam, and only demanded full access to investigate the possibility. what you are saying is similar with me accusing someone of theft, the police beating the crap out of that someone and then me taking the fall for the said beating. get a clue man

What are you talking about? Thefts? Beatings? Falls? I suggest you read the United Nations demands...I have some "clues" for you to follow. Obviously they were not available in Romania - Enjoy!

Saddam Hussein's Defiance of United Nations Resolutions

Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated sixteen United Nations Security Council Resolutions (UNSCRs) designed to ensure that Iraq does not pose a threat to international peace and security. In addition to these repeated violations, he has tried, over the past decade, to circumvent UN economic sanctions against Iraq, which are reflected in a number of other resolutions. As noted in the resolutions, Saddam Hussein was required to fulfill many obligations beyond the withdrawal of Iraqi forces from Kuwait. Specifically, Saddam Hussein was required to, among other things: allow international weapons inspectors to oversee the destruction of his weapons of mass destruction; not develop new weapons of mass destruction; destroy all of his ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometers; stop support for terrorism and prevent terrorist organizations from operating within Iraq; help account for missing Kuwaitis and other individuals; return stolen Kuwaiti property and bear financial liability for damage from the Gulf War; and he was required to end his repression of the Iraqi people. Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated each of the following resolutions:
UNSCR 678 - November 29, 1990
UNSCR 686 - March 2, 1991
UNSCR 687 - April 3, 1991
UNSCR 688 - April 5, 1991
UNSCR 707 - August 15, 1991
UNSCR 715 - October 11, 1991
UNSCR 949 - October 15, 1994
UNSCR 1051 - March 27, 1996
UNSCR 1060 - June 12, 1996
UNSCR 1115 - June 21, 1997
UNSCR 1134 - October 23, 1997
UNSCR 1137 - November 12, 1997
UNSCR 1154 - March 2, 1998
UNSCR 1194 - September 9, 1998
UNSCR 1205 - November 5, 1998
UNSCR 1284 - December 17, 1999

Additional UN Security Council Statements
In addition to the legally binding UNSCRs, the UN Security Council has also issued at least 30 statements from the President of the UN Security Council regarding Saddam Hussein's continued violations of UNSCRs. The list of statements includes:
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 28, 1991
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, February 5, 1992
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, February 19, 1992
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, February 28, 1992
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, March 6, 1992
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, March 11, 1992
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, March 12, 1992
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, April 10, 1992
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 17, 1992
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, July 6, 1992
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, September 2, 1992
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, November 23, 1992
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, November 24, 1992
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, January 8, 1993
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, January 11, 1993
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 18, 1993
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 28, 1993
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, November 23, 1993
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, October 8, 1994
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, March 19, 1996
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 14, 1996
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, August 23, 1996
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, December 30, 1996
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 13, 1997
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, October 29, 1997
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, November 13, 1997
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, December 3, 1997
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, December 22, 1997
·UN Security Council Presidential Statement, January 14, 1998

Originally posted by SMSBear716
You missed the multiple wars against Israel, Hezbollah and Fatah duking it out,the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Iraq/Iranian war? Were you asleep during this time or not born yet?

I was born.

Yet we are are talking 2001 to 2003. Iraq Iran had finished, the Soviets had left Afghanistan to be replaced by the Americans, Hizbollah were pretty calm, and generally the middle east was as stable as it had been for about 50 years since Israel was forced upon them.

I wont rise to your bait of "wars aginst Israel" Although Israel is hardly innocent.

In fact post 9/11 the world was generally uniting against terrorism. There were real opportunities for dialogue and Iraq was fully functioning prosperous nation state.

Originally posted by invigorate
..........Iraq was fully functioning prosperous nation state.

IRAQ was PROSPEROUS .. ?

The only reasonable explanation for anyone making such a foolish statement is that they dont know the meaning of the word prosperous.

Read some economic history. Iraq spend the better part of the 50s & 60s trying to fight a loosing battle with Israel. Spent most the 70s and 80s fighting another loosing battle with Iran, Spent most of the 90s to this day fighting loosing battles with Kuwait, the USA, the UN. and other coalition forces. All of the Iraqi oil wealth in the last 60 years went in to arms and armunition to fight loosing battles.

Yes .. prosperous .. according to 'Invigorate's Fools Dictionary"

Originally posted by invigorate
I was born.

Yet we are are talking 2001 to 2003. Iraq Iran had finished, the Soviets had left Afghanistan to be replaced by the Americans, Hizbollah were pretty calm, and generally the middle east was as stable as it had been for about 50 years since Israel was forced upon them.

I wont rise to your bait of "wars aginst Israel" Although Israel is har ...[text shortened]... e were real opportunities for dialogue and Iraq was fully functioning prosperous nation state.

Wasn't the fighting in Lebanon and in the Gazain the last year or so involving Hezbollah? Thats what you call Hezbollah being calm huh?

I guess by your definition WWII was just Hitler throwing a 'hissy fit'

The Taliban came after the Soviets in Afghanistan, btw, and they furnished Usama with a base of operation for his terrorist training camps, remember?

You were awake during all this right?

Originally posted by SMSBear716
Wasn't the fighting in Lebanon and in the Gazain the last year or so involving Hezbollah? Thats what you call Hezbollah being calm huh?

I guess by your definition WWII was just Hitler throwing a 'hissy fit'

The Taliban came after the Soviets in Afghanistan, btw, and they furnished Usama with a base of operation for his terrorist training camps, remember?

You were awake during all this right?

Actually, the US helped fund the Tora Bora complex in Afganistan.

Originally posted by slappy115
Actually, the US helped fund the Tora Bora complex in Afganistan.

And? I assume this was during the days when the Soviets invaded. Care to provide all the details?

Originally posted by slappy115
Actually, the US helped fund the Tora Bora complex in Afganistan.

Actually, you were part wise correct, this from Wikipedia

Tora Bora (Pashto: تورا بورا, “black dust” ) is a cave complex situated in the White Mountains (Safed Koh) of eastern Afghanistan, near the Khyber Pass.

In 2001, it was suspected to be in use by al-Qaeda and the location of bin Laden's headquarters, variously described as a multi-storeyed cave complex harnessing hydroelectric power from mountain streams, or a lower-rise dwelling with hotel-like corridors capable of sheltering more than 1,000. It was also said to contain a large cache of ammunition, such as missiles left over from the 1980s.

The outposts in use in 2001 were originally built by extending and shoring up natural caves, with the assistance of the CIA in the early 1980s (Operation Cyclone) for use by mujahideen during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, but several may date back to much earlier periods, as the difficult terrain has been used by tribal warriors fighting foreign invaders since ancestral times.

Originally posted by SMSBear716
And? I assume this was during the days when the Soviets invaded. Care to provide all the details?

Yeah, and we bombed it back to the times of the Flintstones. I was just saying that we built the infrastructure that allowed Bin Laden to hide in Afghanistan.

Originally posted by slappy115
Yeah, and we bombed it back to the times of the Flintstones. I was just saying that we built the infrastructure that allowed Bin Laden to hide in Afghanistan.

Yep, under different circumstances , different times

Originally posted by SMSBear716
Yep, under different circumstances , different times

Sometimes I jump into the middle of a thread without reading them. But for the most part that whole region has been fairly unstable since God knows when. And Iraq as prosperous? You made a really nice point in that post.