01 Feb 22
@vivify saidI would think wanting to destroy 6 million Jews is pretty anti-Semitic.
Whoopie is technically correct that "Jewish" is not a race. Americans tend to use "racism" interchangeably with "bigotry", or use "racism" to refer to forms of bigotry. For example, anti-Semitism or Muslim bigotry is often referred to as "racism".
Americans do the same with Hispanics. "Hispanic" is not a race, since there can be black Hispanics, white Hispanics, etc. ...[text shortened]... ld not have had to apologize for her Holocaust comment. It's a bit ironic she has a Jewish surname.
The Final Solution declared Aryans to be the "master race". They wanted to remove all "undesirables", including lesser races. Of course the Holocaust was about race. It was far more about race than it was about religion.
There are converted Jews, and there are those of Jewish ancestry. This is why it is an "ethnoreligion", it's not only about religion.
01 Feb 22
@vivify saidThe question has a simple and obvious answer. The Hebrews themselves consider themselves to be a race, a distinct ethnic group. One can convert to Judaism (i.e., adopt their religion), but one cannot become a Jew -- one is born a Jew, not made one.
Whoopi Goldberg got in trouble for saying the Holocaust wasn't about racism because it was "whites doing it to themselves".
So...is this correct? Obviously, bigotry, hate, xenophobia, the works were involved, and whether or not the Holocaust is technically racism is mere semantics. But let's get semantic: is "Jewish" an actual race?
01 Feb 22
@earl-of-trumps saidI think the right has us beat in the lie department.
Is Democratic a race?
Vivify and other stalwart Democrats in RHP (and elsewhere) treat non democrats like crap.
The dems LIE about non dems. The dems, in collective spirit accuse non dems of being racist!
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Hey Vivify... maybe you're just a fookin' racist.
Trump made lying a religion for you guys.
01 Feb 22
@mott-the-hoople saidYou finally got something right.
Jew is a race, the Jewish religion is just that, a religion. Jews go by the old testament, Todays Christians believe both the old and new testament., known as being Jewish in faith. Then you have Messianic Jews that are Christian but think they know more about how this works that actual Jews.
Jewish can refer to a race or a religion.
Too bad you call me ignorant and then agree with me. Gotta cover your bases, I guess.
01 Feb 22
@phranny saidShe got in trouble because she, as a black woman, is trying to own the race discrimination issue. There are other races, and they are hated by some as much as blacks. Blacks are only the most obvious "other" race in the US.
Judaism is not a race. You can convert to Judaism. You cannot convert to being white or black or Asian. Islam is a religion, not a race. You can convert to Islam and become a Muslim. Seems simple to me. Goldberg is correct. The Holocaust was not about racism. It was about antisemitism which is on the rise in both the U.S. and Europe. Saying it was not about racism in no way ...[text shortened]... ishes the horrors of this event. As for Hitler claiming Judaism is a race, pleas consider the source
Judaism is a religion, yes, but exactly in the same way that Jews are a race. This is what makes it an ethnoreligion.
01 Feb 22
@moonbus saidThen is race nothing more than a label? If a group can simply decide they are its own separate race, the word has no meaning.
The question has a simple and obvious answer. The Hebrews themselves consider themselves to be a race, a distinct ethnic group. One can convert to Judaism (i.e., adopt their religion), but one cannot become a Jew -- one is born a Jew, not made one.
But ThousandYoung already made a good point regarding the origin of Jews. So there's definitely a case that Jews are a race.
Great points from Suzianne as well. And also, Mott made some genuinely good points.
Thank you to all who in this thread who gave their input.
01 Feb 22
@athousandyoung saidNordic? Goldberg is German, or Yiddish. Yiddish is the traditional diaspora language of Ashkenazi Jews, and this is why the name is common among them.
Whoopi has a Nordic surname which many Ashkenazi Jews also have. Not quite the same thing as a “Jewish name”.
But all surnames lose their racial and ancestral importance the further they are removed from their source.
01 Feb 22
@athousandyoung saidQuite ironic Ashkenazi has "nazi" in the name.
Whoopi has a Nordic surname which many Ashkenazi Jews also have.
01 Feb 22
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@suzianne saidYes Nordic as in Germanic, not Semitic. Isaac, Abrams, Cohen and Levi are actual Jewish last names. English is a Germanic language.
Nordic? Goldberg is German, or Yiddish. Yiddish is the traditional diaspora language of Ashkenazi Jews, and this is why the name is common among them.
But all surnames lose their racial and ancestral importance the further they are removed from their source.
My first Chemistry class was taught by a tall blonde Swedish American named Landberg. And I’m sure you’ve heard of icebergs.
@mott-the-hoople saidhttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0147176721000389
you err when you say it is an ethnoreligion
This article mentions "Jews as the least excluded ethno-religious outgroup" in Europe, among groups including Muslims, and others.
So Suzianne is correct.
01 Feb 22
@vivify saidNo. Judaism is a religion.
Whoopi Goldberg got in trouble for saying the Holocaust wasn't about racism because it was "whites doing it to themselves".
So...is this correct? Obviously, bigotry, hate, xenophobia, the works were involved, and whether or not the Holocaust is technically racism is mere semantics. But let's get semantic: is "Jewish" an actual race?
Semitic is “the race”.
Semites are Israelis, Palestinians, Jordanians, etc. Basically Arabs.
It’s a linguistical distinction.
European Jews do look white.
Jesus looked more like a Maroccan than John Lennon.
Races don’t actually exist. It’s a construct.
Racism is a term used to describe discrimination of groups of ethnic peoples or religious groups of ethnic heritage.
Whoopie should not get into trouble for the fact that she suggests it’s not racism.
Whoopie should get into trouble for insinuating that the holocaust is white doing upon white: which is a fukking attrocious thing to imply, because it makes it sound less grievious and sort of acceptable.
01 Feb 22
@shavixmir saidPalestinians are of Greek origin not Semitic though of course by now they’ve been thoroughly Arabized.
No. Judaism is a religion.
Semitic is “the race”.
Semites are Israelis, Palestinians, Jordanians, etc. Basically Arabs.
It’s a linguistical distinction.
European Jews do look white.
Jesus looked more like a Maroccan than John Lennon.
Races don’t actually exist. It’s a construct.
Racism is a term used to describe discrimination of groups of ethnic peoples or r ...[text shortened]... fukking attrocious thing to imply, because it makes it sound less grievious and sort of acceptable.