03 Jun 11
Originally posted by whodeyCopy and paste anywhere anyone said the GOP wants to throw grandma off of a cliff.
Who wants to see people die? Does the GOP? Have you bought into the notion tha the GOP wants to throw grandma off the cliff like most others on this forum do?
Let the record show you can't.
03 Jun 11
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Originally posted by whodeyI never said that the GOP wants to see people die, nor did I say Americans want to see people die.
Who wants to see people die? Does the GOP? Have you bought into the notion tha the GOP wants to throw grandma off the cliff like most others on this forum do?
I would, however, like to see a health care proposal from the GOP that would guarantee reasonable medical coverage to anyone and everyone who needs such.
I'd be fine with another model that isn't government-run (because the individual mandate falls into that myth of being a "government take-over" ). But I still want to see a proposal.
03 Jun 11
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Originally posted by whodeyCopy and paste where anyone said ALL news was reliable except Fox. Let the record show you can't.
But it came from ABC news. I thought all news was reliable except Fox.
Well there ya go, it appears those darn right wingers have taken over ABC news. Who woulda thunk?
Also, your link didn't direct me to the actual story. Here it is.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/national_world&id=8162220
MONCKS CORNER, S.C. (KABC) -- The American Civil Liberties Union is pushing for porn at a detention center in Moncks Corner, South Carolina.
The move came after reports surfaced that the facility only allowed inmates to read the Bible. But prison officials said that isn't true and inmates have a wide variety of reading material at their disposal.
The ACLU said it wants prisoners to be able to read and view pornography. Lawyers for the jail said that just won't happen.
"If they don't like the wording in some of our policies, we'll be happy to try and create better wording for them. But, there are certain issues that we're just not going to be able to bend on," said Sandra J. Senn, an attorney for the Hill-Finklea Detention Center in Berkeley County.
Officials believe porn will lead to more assaults and create a hostile environment.
A preliminary hearing on the matter is set to take place next month.
This is blog entry on go.com attached to a small local stationed owned by ABC. The writing is amateurish at best and no author's name is even attached.
Whodey, you're the most gullible person I've ever met.
03 Jun 11
Originally posted by utherpendragonGreat. Saying Republican policies are detrimental to the elderly, or even saying Republican's don't give a tihs about the elderly is NOT the same as saying they want to push them off a cliff.
I may not find that exact quote verbatim but they DO imply it very often.
03 Jun 11
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperso what is a commercial of a man ( Ryan ?) pushing a elderly woman off a cliff to her obvious death imply?
Great. Saying Republican policies are detrimental to the elderly, or even saying Republican's don't give a tihs about the elderly is NOT the same as saying they want to push them off a cliff.
03 Jun 11
Originally posted by utherpendragonIt's a metaphore for the effect Ryan's plan has on elderly citizens who depend on Medicare.
so what is a commercial of a man ( Ryan ?) pushing a elderly woman off a cliff to her obvious death imply?
That's a far cry from saying Republicans want to kill old people.
03 Jun 11
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperSo its a metaphor of Ryan murdering Senior American citizens. What do you consider elderly btw? because the plan affects no one portrayed in the "metaphor". Senior citizens will not be affected by the plan and the wheel chair bound woman was obviously supposed to be senior citizen.
It's a metaphore for the effect Ryan's plan has on elderly citizens who depend on Medicare.
That's a far cry from saying Republicans want to kill old people.
03 Jun 11
Originally posted by utherpendragon"So its a metaphor of Ryan murdering Senior American citizens."
So its a metaphor of Ryan murdering Senior American citizens. What do you consider elderly btw? because the plan affects no one portrayed in the "metaphor". Senior citizens will not be affected by the plan and the wheel chair bound woman was obviously supposed to be senior citizen.
Sorry, but you don't get to just add words that are easier for you to refute. To "murder" is to intentionally kill somebody.
"because the plan affects no one portrayed in the "metaphor". Senior citizens will not be affected by the plan and the wheel chair bound woman was obviously supposed to be senior citizen."
Just because it doesn't go into affect for people who are senior citizens now doesn't mean it won't affect senior citizens. Unless you're claiming they've dramatically lowerd the age for Medicare?
03 Jun 11
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Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperthrowing someone off a cliff in a wheelchair is not murder?! Got it. Thanks for sharing. And for not answering my question btw. 🙄
[b]"So its a metaphor of Ryan murdering Senior American citizens."
Sorry, but you don't get to just add words that are easier for you to refute. To "murder" is to intentionally kill somebody.
"because the plan affects no one portrayed in the "metaphor". Senior citizens will not be affected by the plan and the wheel chair bound woman w citizens. Unless you're claiming they've dramatically lowerd the age for Medicare?
03 Jun 11
Originally posted by utherpendragonDid I say -
throwing someone off a cliff in a wheelchair is not murder?! Got it. Thanks for sharing. And for not answering my question btw. 🙄
A: Throwing someone off of a cliff is not murder.
or
B: Throwing someone off the cliff in that commercial was a metaphore.
I'll let others look at what I actually said and decide for themselves whether or not you're debating honestly.
03 Jun 11
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Originally posted by utherpendragonEdit: I will just say that I think the ad was sensationalist to the point that its intent was to be used as propaganda rather than as a "metaphor."
So its a metaphor of Ryan murdering Senior American citizens. What do you consider elderly btw? because the plan affects no one portrayed in the "metaphor". Senior citizens will not be affected by the plan and the wheel chair bound woman was obviously supposed to be senior citizen.
However, as USAP said, the element of truth that led to the idea behind the ad is very serious and should concern (future) senior citizens. "Voucher program" or "premium supplement" or whatever, the program dramatically redefines Medicare and will ultimately leave (future) senior citizens paying far more out-of-pocket.