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Is Ryan even capable of telling a truth?

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Originally posted by FMF
It's interesting how you are scrambling and grasping at straws to make personal attacks about golf when Obama has been in office for 4 years and you insist he has been an abysmal failure. 😵
unemployment? ----- F
clean energy?----- D+
stimulus----- C
immigration----C
Foreign policy--C
transparency--- F
hope/promise---F
bringing the nation together----Incomplete

and your grade assessment is? keeping in mind, you have no "skin in this game" the hope and promise is not for your children, but for mine....

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Originally posted by Hugh Glass
unemployment? ----- F
clean energy?----- D+
stimulus----- C
immigration----C
Foreign policy--C
transparency--- F
hope/promise---F
bringing the nation together----Incomplete
So what's with all the posts over and over and over and over again about Biden saying "JOBS" is a three letter word and about Obama playing golf? Why do you think anyone will take your "F" and your "C" and your "D+" scores/"analysis" seriously when so many of your other posts are so shallow and tabloid or littered with hackneyed personal remarks about other posters here?

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Originally posted by Hugh Glass
...and your grade assessment is? keeping in mind, you have no "skin in this game" the hope and promise is not for your children, but for mine....
Your children have the prospect of paying your medical bills because you did not save enough money or choose insurance wisely during your productive years.

What do my children have to do with you?

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Originally posted by Hugh Glass
unemployment? ----- F
clean energy?----- D+
stimulus----- C
immigration----C
Foreign policy--C
transparency--- F
hope/promise---F
bringing the nation together----Incomplete

and your grade assessment is? keeping in mind, you have no "skin in this game" the hope and promise is not for your children, but for mine....
unemployment? --- C
clean energy?--- C
stimulus----- C
immigration--- B
Foreign policy--- B
transparency--- B
war on terror--- A-
hope/promise--- C
U.S. image in the world--- B

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Originally posted by utherpendragon
Its amazing and quite funny to me how all the Obamanites are scrambling and grasping at straws to tare down Romney and Ryann through personal attacks.

Why ? Because their Messiah has been in office for 4 years and has been a abysmal failure. Their only hope is to distract and put up smoke screens to draw attention away from Obamas deplorable job performance.
The republican congress is equally as bad - bunch of losers - why is it that people are more dissatisfied with congress than with the prosident.

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Originally posted by FMF
Your children have the prospect of paying your medical bills because you did not save enough money or choose insurance wisely during your productive years.

What do my children have to do with you?
no, my children will be a-ok..

:-)

just have a better future with Obama out of the picture,,, shallow,, whoa strong language

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Originally posted by Hugh Glass
just have a better future with Obama out of the picture,,, shallow,, whoa strong language
Shallow, yes. Tabloid tidbits, gossip, smears, non-sequiturs, dodges, deflections. You've live a life, so you presumably know how you come across and do it deliberately. Just saying, that's all.

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Originally posted by FMF
So what's with all the posts over and over and over and over again about Biden saying "JOBS" is a three letter word and about Obama playing golf? Why do you think anyone will take your "F" and your "C" and your "D+" scores/"analysis" seriously when so many of your other posts are so shallow and tabloid or littered with hackneyed personal remarks about other posters here?
really, if you look at the frequent flyers here, about 7-10,, who really cares what anyone has to say... it's just a way to kill time between moves, and kick the hornets nest.. nothing more.

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Originally posted by FMF
Shallow, yes. Tabloid tidbits, gossip, smears, non-sequiturs, dodges, deflections. You've live a life, so you presumably know how you come across and do it deliberately. Just saying, that's all.
yes, I do like to kick up the er crap... don't spend a lot of time worrying about what you think...

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Originally posted by Hugh Glass
really, if you look at the frequent flyers here, about 7-10,, who really cares what anyone has to say... it's just a way to kill time between moves, and kick the hornets nest.. nothing more.
... it's just a way to kill time between moves, and kick the hornets nest.. nothing more.

This is exactly why you come across as shallow.

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Originally posted by Hugh Glass
yes, I do like to kick up the er crap... don't spend a lot of time worrying about what you think...
And then you wonder why one might describe you as shallow?

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Originally posted by sh76
Good luck. Of course people care about fact checking, but not about facts that bear no relationship whatsoever to policies or governance. Clinton is the classic example. He could (and did) lie all he wanted to about sex, but most people didn't give a damn because it had nothing to do with running the country.
Well, lying about Medicare cuts and Welfare reform is about policy. Ryan's problem is that he lied about too many things at once. And Romney's people said outright that they aren't going to let the factcheckers dictate their campaign. Veracity will be an issue of the campaign.

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Originally posted by utherpendragon
Its amazing and quite funny to me how all the Obamanites are scrambling and grasping at straws to tare down Romney and Ryann through personal attacks.

Why ? Because their Messiah has been in office for 4 years and has been a abysmal failure. Their only hope is to distract and put up smoke screens to draw attention away from Obamas deplorable job performance.
Well that will be the response. But I don't think it'll be enough.

We'll know soon enough how the internal polling reads. If Obama's people keep bringing up Janesville and Romney's people drop it, you will know it was a serious screw up. Notice that Romney didn't bring it up.

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Originally posted by FMF
Be that as it may, but if one of the GOP themes is going to be the 'dishonesty of Obama', it is peculiar that Ryan would expend any credibility points at all telling clumsy little fibs that can accumulate and undermine him as he tries to criticize the president.
It's not. They don't have the goods. The Ryan story has momentum.

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Truth: Ryan's biggest feat in his political career was proposing a budget with dramatic cuts to programs benefiting the poor. He'd cut Medicaid by one third, take away health care insurance from 30 million Americans, and cut Pell Grants for 1 million students. All so that he could give more tax breaks to the rich.8

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1. "Fact check: Paul Ryan at the RNC," USA Today, August 30, 2012
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2. "Undoing Obama Medicare cuts may backfire on Romney," The Boston Globe, August 18, 2012
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3. "Romney-Ryan Medicare Plan Would Cost 29-Year-Olds $331,200: Report," Huffington Post, August 27, 2012
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7. "Paul Ryan Address: Convention Speech Built On Demonstrably Misleading Assertions," Huffington Post, August 30, 2012
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=279604&id=50381-11463617-fHkGjRx&t=14

8. "4 Ways Paul Ryan's Budget Would Devastate The Poor," ThinkProgress, August 17, 2012
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