04 Sep 12
Originally posted by no1marauderHe's the only regular poster for years who has explicitly reserved the right to use violence against people who are disrespectful.
For someone who doesn't "deal with either shallow platitudes, or aggression", you [normbenign] sure dish them out.
04 Sep 12
Originally posted by AThousandYoungAll I'm getting from normbenign and his "golf" analogy, is that he disagrees with my opinions, and that he seeks to make this point in a really dreary, parochial and pouting sort of way. If he doesn't wish to participate in an international Debate Forum on a British web site, there are many other options on the internet.
I don't play golf but I bought a blackthorn shilleleagh and I bet I could play shinty with it.
04 Sep 12
Originally posted by FMFThat is a lie you keep repeating, but which still isn't true. That is why I don't play your word games anymore. You are a proven and demonstrated liar, as well as a misinformed moron.
He's the only regular poster for years who has explicitly reserved the right to use violence against people who are disrespectful.
You get to prove it time and again.
I reserve the right to use violence in response to violence. I reserve the right to call out your lies as they occur, as well as your comments on events half way around the world which highlight your ignorance.
04 Sep 12
Originally posted by FMFYou clearly don't get much. You prefer to make up arguments for others, what most of us recognize as "strawmen".
All I'm getting from normbenign and his "golf" analogy, is that he disagrees with my opinions, and that he seeks to make this point in a really dreary, parochial and pouting sort of way. If he doesn't wish to participate in an international Debate Forum on a British web site, there are many other options on the internet.
04 Sep 12
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Originally posted by normbenignThat you often make your points in a really dreary, parochial and pouting sort of way is my opinion, not a "straw man". You do not have to agree with it. Others will decide for themselves if I have a point. 😵
You clearly don't get much. You prefer to make up arguments for others, what most of us recognize as "strawmen".
04 Sep 12
Originally posted by sh76Does anyone get the analogy that local knowledge is of value? Does FMF even know where Janeville is? I've been there, and traveled through the region.
Or, better yet, What is Golf?
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-24.ZD.html
The point is not to remove his comments, but to remind us that people far removed have less credibility, especially when they have been prone to lies and hyperbole in the recent past.
His local knowledge of Jakarta, and other Indonesian cities, and politics would make me a bit reluctant to act as if I were on a par with his local knowledge.
I don't comment much on other than generalities regarding such things as UK politics, cause I know I don't know.
04 Sep 12
Originally posted by normbenignI admit I have repeated a few times, but it's not a lie. Here it was. March this year. This forum.
That is a lie you keep repeating, but which still isn't true. That is why I don't play your word games anymore. You are a proven and demonstrated liar, as well as a misinformed moron.
You get to prove it time and again.
I reserve the right to use violence in response to violence. I reserve the right to call out your lies as they occur, as well as your comments on events half way around the world which highlight your ignorance.
FMF: So you advocate a violent response - if you choose that option - when you get into a disagreement?
normbenign: Yes, violence is a choice of response, and I believe is appropriate when faced with a person showing no respect or dignity. At the very least, let the person know if they are violent you will respond in kind.
And here is the "context" in full, should you try to suggest that I am concealing the "context" in any way:
Thread 145568, especially pages 2 or 3 onwards.
04 Sep 12
Originally posted by normbenignSurely it is for the other contributors to this forum to make their minds up about the credibility of what you present and what I present, or what anyone else presents for that matter; be they American or European or whatever? Are you so insecure about how you are perceived here in this community that you have resorted to making posts to "remind" people that you don't agree with me and that you personally don't find me credible? 😵
The point is not to remove his comments, but to remind us that people far removed have less credibility, especially when they have been prone to lies and hyperbole in the recent past.
04 Sep 12
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Originally posted by normbenignIn the thread I linked to from a few years ago, I made this analogy in response to a similar claim:
Does anyone get the analogy that local knowledge is of value? Does FMF even know where Janeville is? I've been there, and traveled through the region.
The point is not to remove his comments, but to remind us that people far removed have less credibility, especially when they have been prone to lies and hyperbole in the recent past.
His local kn h on other than generalities regarding such things as UK politics, cause I know I don't know.
If you asked someone what the weather was like where they lived and they consistently answered "-200 F", you'd assume they didn't know what they were talking about (unless they lived on Pluto).
EDIT: My statement in pertinent part:
If you asked someone what the weather was outside where they were and then consistently said "-200 degrees", you'd tend not to trust their statements unless they were on the planet Pluto. Similarly the fact that many of the posters here are Brit sympathizers who have some familiarity with the geography of Ireland doesn't mean they know jack about the issues being discussed here. Many of their factual assertions have been shown to be laughably incorrect and some have shown attitudes like a contempt for the heroes of the struggle for Irish independence that are demonstrably way out of line with Irish thinking.
EDIT2: sh76 makes essentially the same point below, but my way of saying it is more "marauderish".
04 Sep 12
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Originally posted by normbenignWell, I don't think I agree with that. While it is true that people who live in an area are, on the whole, more likely to be knowledgeable about local politics, this is not inherent. It's not an issue of credibility either. It's an issue of who makes the most convincing argument with the best underlying data. Sure the local person may have an advantage, but that doesn't mean he will convert that advantage.
Does anyone get the analogy that local knowledge is of value? Does FMF even know where Janeville is? I've been there, and traveled through the region.
The point is not to remove his comments, but to remind us that people far removed have less credibility, especially when they have been prone to lies and hyperbole in the recent past.
His local kn h on other than generalities regarding such things as UK politics, cause I know I don't know.
Moreover, most of the issues we debate are philosophical and apply pretty evenly no matter where you are. It's not like we're arguing whether the OshKosh planning board should grant a variance to some club to operate with fewer parking spots. These are issues that are pretty universal in application.
04 Sep 12
Originally posted by sh76I agree, but Norm is right about American posters not commenting on foreign politics. We generally just don't know what's going on in Indonesia, for example, because our media doesn't mention it unless something explodes there (or Orangutangs start smoking), and we don't go out of our way to find out. It's a cultural weakness in my view.
Well, I don't think I agree with that. While it is true that people who live in an area are, on the whole, more likely to be knowledgeable about local politics, this is not inherent. It's not an issue of credibility either. It's an issue of who makes the most convincing argument with the best underlying data. Sure the local person may have an advantage, but tha ...[text shortened]... erate with fewer parking spots. These are issues that are pretty universal in application.
04 Sep 12
Originally posted by SleepyguyIndonesia, yes. But I think we get our fair share of European news, considering that we're exposed to very little European media.
I agree, but Norm is right about American posters not commenting on foreign politics. We generally just don't know what's going on in Indonesia, for example, because our media doesn't mention it unless something explodes there (or Orangutangs start smoking), and we don't go out of our way to find out. It's a cultural weakness in my view.