01 Jun 21
@rajk999 saidTell me, Rajk, when the Jews of the Warsaw ghettos revolted against occupying nazis, they got slaughtered.
Well they are wrong. Many people suffer from a kind of inferiority complex that keeps them from standing up to what is right and just and fair, when their friends or associates are the perpetrators. Its commonplace.
Were these Jews "inferior"? Were they terrorists? I mean, after all, the Germans owned Poland, right?
@earl-of-trumps saidDont know all the details .. what was going on? Tell me -
Tell me, Rajk, when the Jews of the Warsaw ghettos revolted against occupying nazis, they got slaughtered.
Were these Jews "inferior"? Were they terrorists? I mean, after all, the Germans owned Poland, right?
Did the Jews have a Charter that says they are going to kill the Nazis?
Did the Jews want all of Poland to set up a Jewish state?
Would all the Nazis have to convert to Judaism if the Jews took over?
Did the Nazis have a UN partition plan where Poland was supposed to be shared between the Jews and the Nazis?
Were the Jews throwing rocks at Nazi soldiers?
What? What exactly was going on that is comparable to the Palestinian case?
@vivify saidThere's still someone in the world who still thinks that this episode happened because of the eviction judgment?
This wave of violence was started by Israel; they forced Palestinians out of their homes in a move declared illegal by the UN. Then they assaulted Palestinian Muslims in a Mosque *on Ramadan*, injuring about 300 Palestine.
Do Palestinian teens deserve to die for fighting back against oppression internationally recognized as illegal and violence that Israel started?
Dude, you may not agree with the legality of it, but the evictions were based on legal ownership under state law that was the product of a court case that took many years to litigate. To argue that this justified the firing of thousands of rockets into civilian areas is insane.
===Then they assaulted Palestinian Muslims in a Mosque *on Ramadan*, injuring about 300 Palestine. ===
Jeez. Where do you get your news from? Trevor Noah? Do you imagine that the Israeli army up and one day said "Cool. It's Ramadan. Let's go assault a Mosque." Do you suppose there was any context to any of these things? WTF? Go really read about what happened before making these snap judgments.
I really try to avoid discussing Israel on these boards because it upsets me too much, but it drives me up the wall when otherwise reasonable people simply read one side of a story and proclaim it as fact.
@sh76 saidThe State of Israel's law is not valid in East Jerusalem as it was illegally annexed.
There's still someone in the world who still thinks that this episode happened because of the eviction judgment?
Dude, you may not agree with the legality of it, but the evictions were based on legal ownership under state law that was the product of a court case that took many years to litigate. To argue that this justified the firing of thousands of rockets into civilian a ...[text shortened]... p the wall when otherwise reasonable people simply read one side of a story and proclaim it as fact.
You know this perfectly well.
And these evictions are the mere tip of the iceberg compared with the massive growth of Israeli settlements in the West Bank (again illegal).
You know this perfectly well also.
Stop pretending Hamas just decided out of the blue to starting shooting rockets (which I don't condone them shooting them at civilian areas).
@Rajk999 - said
What? What exactly was going on that is comparable to the Palestinian case?
Ok, Rajk, let's go back to your original statement:
@Rajk999: Well they are wrong. Many people suffer from a kind of inferiority complex that keeps them from standing up to what is right and just and fair, when their friends or associates are the perpetrators. Its commonplace.
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You are clearly implying that the Palestinians are inferior because they choose to fight, even against tall odds.
So I ask, were the Jews of the ghettos of Warsaw inferior because they chose to die fighting instead of submitting?
You also say that the Palestinians must stand up for what's right, which I suppose means submitting to
a murderous conquering regime. So were the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto wrong, too? They all died.
See the similarities yet?
02 Jun 21
Hey @Rajk999, do read this excellent quote:
"The Jews knew that the uprising was doomed and their survival was unlikely.
Marek Edelman, the only surviving ŻOB commander, said their inspiration to fight
was "to pick the time and place of our deaths"."
Now, just change "Jews" for "Palestinians".
Excellent.
@earl-of-trumps saidWell, they are on a suicide mission. We know that already. Nothing new there. The difference is that nobody is going to kill them anyway. In the case of Poland they were all being systematically executed anyway, whether or not they fight back. These Palestinians are commuting suicide for ownership of the land., They want all. They want no sharing. Its two totally and completely different scenarios.
Hey @Rajk999, do read this excellent quote:"The Jews knew that the uprising was doomed and their survival was unlikely.
Marek Edelman, the only surviving ŻOB commander, said their inspiration to fight
was "to pick the time and place of our deaths"."
Now, just change "Jews" for "Palestinians".
Excellent.
02 Jun 21
@earl-of-trumps saidYou are misunderstanding that post because you are not following. Im replying to Duchess64 who said that there were Jews who did not stand up tto another Jew who was being an extremist and claiming that he would kill all Palestinians with stones. My point is that there are some people, Jews, who [likely because of some feeling of inferiority], simply go along without correcting unjust or unfair actions or words. That post has nothing to do with Palestinians.
@Rajk999 - said
What? What exactly was going on that is comparable to the Palestinian case?
Ok, Rajk, let's go back to your original statement:
@Rajk999:[i] Well they are wrong. Many people suffer from a kind of inferiority complex that keeps them from standing up to what is right and just and fair, when their friends or associates are the perp ...[text shortened]... egime. So were the Jews of the Warsaw ghetto wrong, too? They all died.
See the similarities yet?
02 Jun 21
@sh76 saidOne of the most annoying habits of conservatives is claiming there's information out there somewhere that will allegedly enlighten all those whose views contradict their own....while failing to provide any of those alleged sources.
There's still someone in the world who still thinks that this episode happened because of the eviction judgment?
Dude, you may not agree with the legality of it, but the evictions were based on legal ownership under state law that was the product of a court case that took many years to litigate. To argue that this justified the firing of thousands of rockets into civilian a ...[text shortened]... p the wall when otherwise reasonable people simply read one side of a story and proclaim it as fact.
"Go read about what happened" is a lazy tactic on a DEBATE forum. It takes no work to make unbacked assertions and then throw the onus on the other person to prove your claims.
"Go read about what happened"....okay: what "really" happened? Don't bother responding if you're not going to give specifics to support your temper-tantrum.
The liberal posters on this site are consistently making pointed arguments and citing reputable sources to make logical, sound arguments. Conservatives just whine, make empty claims and leave.
02 Jun 21
@vivify saidsh76 was replying to your post here
One of the most annoying habits of conservatives is claiming there's information out there somewhere that will allegedly enlighten all those whose views contradict their own....while failing to provide any of those alleged sources.
"Go read about what happened" is a lazy tactic on a DEBATE forum. It takes no work to make unbacked assertions and then throw the onus on the o ...[text shortened]... le sources to make logical, sound arguments. Conservatives just whine, make empty claims and leave.
This wave of violence was started by Israel; they forced Palestinians out of their homes in a move declared illegal by the UN. Then they assaulted Palestinian Muslims in a Mosque *on Ramadan*, injuring about 300 Palestine.
Do Palestinian teens deserve to die for fighting back against oppression internationally recognized as illegal and violence that Israel started?
I see all your sources are included. Oh no, you are not a lazy debater.
@rajk999 saidYawn.
sh76 was replying to your post here
This wave of violence was started by Israel; they forced Palestinians out of their homes in a move declared illegal by the UN. Then they assaulted Palestinian Muslims in a Mosque *on Ramadan*, injuring about 300 Palestine.
Do Palestinian teens deserve to die for fighting back against oppression internationally recognized as illegal a ...[text shortened]... that Israel started?
I see all your sources are included. Oh no, you are not a lazy debater.
Do you need a link to know Israelis are forcing Palestinians out of their homes? Do you need a link to know Israelis attacked Palestinians in a mosque? Even though that has been discussed to death on this forum? Maybe you need a link to know Biden is president, huh?
Debating with you is like getting into a knife fight with a toddler.
02 Jun 21
@no1marauder saidThe Palestinians who use little more than a zoning dispute to justify the terroristic act of shooting rockets at civilians certainly don't deserve sympathy. And it is hard to imagine that the constant bashing of Israel here is little more than explicit bigotry and should be condemned.
The State of Israel's law is not valid in East Jerusalem as it was illegally annexed.
You know this perfectly well.
And these evictions are the mere tip of the iceberg compared with the massive growth of Israeli settlements in the West Bank (again illegal).
You know this perfectly well also.
Stop pretending Hamas just decided out of the blue to starting shooting rockets (which I don't condone them shooting them at civilian areas).
02 Jun 21
@vivify saidYawn .. {Got it, lazy debater] Yes I need a link. I dont live there and neither do you. I stated a thread recently about the issue of forcing Palestinians out of their homes and the matter seems to very controversial. It is not straightforward at all. There are cases where Palestinians are living on land and some Jew has the title deed. The only a Jew-hater would not need to dig into the details..
Yawn.
Do you need a link to know Israelis are forcing Palestinians out of their homes? Do you need a link to know Israelis attacked Palestinians in a mosque? Even though that has been discussed to death on this forum? Maybe you need a link to know Biden is president, huh?
Debating with you is like getting into a knife fight with a toddler.
Israelis attacked Palestinians in a mosque? Nobody was attacked. Palestinians were throwing rocks at the police and they responded with rubber bullets. Being in a mosque does not and can not grant you exemption from following Covid protocols.