@metal-brain saidNo, it isn't true.
Well at least you did not falsely accuse me of lying while you were lying this time.
You know you are wrong though. AD's assertion is true. He could. That doesn't mean he will, but he could and you know it.
Dershowitz has transformed himself into a total joke. And he was untruthful when quoting Trump's words saying:
"when President Trump said, ‘I want you to demonstrate peacefully and patriotically. "
Trump, of course, never said that. And his idea on what was "peaceful" on January 6th is dubious: in two tweets after rioters had already broke into the Capitol he implied they were being "peaceful":
" At 238 pm., “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement ‘They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”
At3:13 pm, “I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order — respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!”
P. 40 of the indictment you won't read.
The rioters were hardly being "peaceful" when such tweets were made as Trump, who was watching the whole thing on TV, surely knew.
06 Aug 23
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This is the Trump Quote:
“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”
06 Aug 23
@metal-brain saidAs "peaceful" as they were when they broke into the Capitol?
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This is the Trump Quote:
“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”
As "peaceful" as they were when they chanted "Hang Mike Pence"?
06 Aug 23
@no1marauder saidAs "peaceful" as they were when they were let in by capitol police at one of the doors. Is it Trump's fault they did not follow directions? You want him to be responsible for what every single protester did. You know that is unreasonable.
As "peaceful" as they were when they broke into the Capitol?
As "peaceful" as they were when they chanted "Hang Mike Pence"?
Yet you are fine with Ray Epps going free. Totally illogical.
@metal-brain saidThey did exactly what Trump wanted them to do i.e. disrupt the certification. In return, he is now promising to pardon those convicted of crimes of violence that day. https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
As "peaceful" as they were when they were let in by capitol police at one of the doors. Is it Trump's fault they did not follow directions? You want him to be responsible for what every single protester did. You know that is unreasonable.
Yet you are fine with Ray Epps going free. Totally illogical.
That they failed to intimidate and/or capture Mike Pence and members of Congress was due to the heroism of the Capitol Police and others, who Trump left out to dry for hours.
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@no1marauder said“It's virtually certain ”
He most certainly did not. It's virtually certain the prosecutors played Trump's whole speech before the GJ and anyway that one ambiguous sentence is certainly not "substantial evidence that directly negates the guilt of a subject of the investigation".
is that close to “ almost nearly”? shytweasel
07 Aug 23
@no1marauder saidYou changed the subject. You know you were blaming Trump for things he never told protesters to do. Protesters always commit crimes if there are enough of them regardless of the cause.
They did exactly what Trump wanted them to do i.e. disrupt the certification. In return, he is now promising to pardon those convicted of crimes of violence that day. https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/trump-would-give-full-pardons-with-an-apology-to-capitol-rioters-if-elected/
That they failed to intimidate and/or capture Mike Pence and members of Congress was due to the heroism of the Capitol Police and others, who Trump left out to dry for hours.
https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/
7% of BLM protesters were not peaceful. Does that mean whoever organized that protest is responsible for those 7% of violent people? It is the same thing. You are applying a double standard and you know it. You must have a lot of hatred for Trump to stoop so low.
Even worse, you will not blame Ray Epps for telling people to break the law. Another clear double standard. You are happy to blame Trump for what Epps did. Have you no shame?
@metal-brain saidRay Epps is going to wind up a rich man; it's unfortunate someone like you can escape any repercussions for your constant lying about him though good that Fox News will not be as lucky.
You changed the subject. You know you were blaming Trump for things he never told protesters to do. Protesters always commit crimes if there are enough of them regardless of the cause.
https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/
7% of BLM protesters were not peaceful. Does that mean whoever organized that protest is responsible for those 7% of violent people ...[text shortened]... w. Another clear double standard. You are happy to blame Trump for what Epps did. Have you no shame?
Trump's being prosecuted for what he did i.e. organize and lead a conspiracy that attempted to overturn a US Presidential election by illegal means. That he duped a crowd of suckers to help him in that plot is a matter of record though it does not excuse their crimes (as he has promised to do).
No organizer of a BLM protest desired violence or stood to benefit from it like Trump did. So this is another one of a long line of false whatboutisms on your part.
Trump's actions during the riot and his comments afterward show his frame of mind:
" The Defendant repeatedly refused to approve a message directing rioters to leave the Capitol, as urged by his most senior advisors—including the White House Counsel, a Deputy White House Counsel, the Chief of Staff, a Deputy Chief of Staff, and a Senior Advisor."
"115. At 3:00 pm., the Defendant had a phone call with the Minority Leader of the United States House of Representatives. The Defendant told the Minority Leader that the crowd at the ‘Capitol was more upset about the election than the Minority Leader was."
"117. After the 4:17 p.m. Tweet, as the Defendant joined others in the outer Oval Office 10 watch the attack on the Capitol on television, the Defendant said, “See, this is what happens when they try to steal an election. These people are angry. These people are really angry about it. This is what happens.”
118. At 601 p.m, the Defendant tweeted, “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!”
pp. 40-41 of the Indictment you won't read.
@metal-brain saidRussia is a right wing homophobic monstrosity, not one Marxist or socialist bone in its body politic.
You once said I was an ultra right winger. I take it you are finally convinced I am a Marxist?
07 Aug 23
@no1marauder said"Trump's being prosecuted for what he did i.e. organize and lead a conspiracy that attempted to overturn a US Presidential election by illegal means."
Ray Epps is going to wind up a rich man; it's unfortunate someone like you can escape any repercussions for your constant lying about him though good that Fox News will not be as lucky.
Trump's being prosecuted for what he did i.e. organize and lead a conspiracy that attempted to overturn a US Presidential election by illegal means. That he duped a crowd of suckers to ...[text shortened]... it from it like Trump did. So this is another one of a long line of false whatboutisms on your part.
That is by definition a conspiracy theory. He is not being charged with insurrection because it was not an insurrection. If it was an insurrection all of the protesters would have been armed.
Do you believe everything you read and hear from the corporate news? Allegations of an attempted insurrection is a lie. Repetition is why you believe it. You even know it is false and keep repeating it.
Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/
STOP LYING!
@metal-brain saidYou've quoted that false link dozens of times and I've debunked it dozens of times. The sources in it were wrong and there have been several convictions for seditious conspiracy since.
"Trump's being prosecuted for what he did i.e. organize and lead a conspiracy that attempted to overturn a US Presidential election by illegal means."
That is by definition a conspiracy theory. He is not being charged with insurrection because it was not an insurrection. If it was an insurrection all of the protesters would have been armed.
Do you believe everythin ...[text shortened]... lusive-fbi-finds-scant-evidence-us-capitol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/
STOP LYING!
The mark of a "conspiracy theorist" is that they come up with outlandish explanations involving convoluted conspiracies rather than the obvious one supported by the facts (in academic terms, they violate Occam's Razor). That describes you. That, of course, does not mean there are no conspiracies at all and if you had read the indictment you'd know Trump is charged with organizing and leading a criminal conspiracy.
07 Aug 23
@no1marauder saidSTOP LYING!
You've quoted that false link dozens of times and I've debunked it dozens of times. The sources in it were wrong and there have been several convictions for seditious conspiracy since.
Convictions for seditious conspiracy don't mean a damn thing.
They have nothing to do with Trump because he didn't tell them to break any laws. Ray Epps did.
Why wasn't Ray Epps charged with seditious conspiracy?
@metal-brain saidStop with Ray Epps; we've discussed that non-case in several threads already. He didn't do anything illegal as you well know. This is another "false whataboutism"; a particularly stupid one.
STOP LYING!
Convictions for seditious conspiracy don't mean a damn thing.
They have nothing to do with Trump because he didn't tell them to break any laws. Ray Epps did.
Why wasn't Ray Epps charged with seditious conspiracy?
Trump not only told people to break laws; he did it himself as part of the conspiracy.
@no1marauder saidSTOP LYING!
Stop with Ray Epps; we've discussed that non-case in several threads already. He didn't do anything illegal as you well know. This is another "false whataboutism"; a particularly stupid one.
Trump not only told people to break laws; he did it himself as part of the conspiracy.
Ray Epps trespassed on Capitol grounds. That is illegal!
Futhermore, Trump was not charged with inciting an insurrection. STOP LYING!
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/debates/why-dont-they-charge-him-with-incitement.197520
"Trump not only told people to break laws; he did it himself as part of the conspiracy"
Now you are attempting to move the goal post to people who did NOT protest at the Capitol Building. Very dishonest!
You have no evidence that he told protesters to break any laws.