John Oliver: Australia's Gun Laws

@kevcvs57 said
Ahh but that canned fish and stale white bread taste like freedom to wajoma. Goobermints get in the way of modern day slavery and sexual exploitation too, fascists the lot of them.
The goobermint should lock them up, no hang on.

I'm a libertarian, you don't know what libertarianism is, for that reason you should not comment on libertarianism because you look like more of an ijit than you normally do.

@wajoma said
I'm a libertarian, you don't know what libertarianism is, for that reason you should not comment on libertarianism because you look like more of an ijit than you normally do.

You can call yourself anything you like but it will not influence my opinion concerning your opinions in the slightest.
Your opinions are those of a cowboy capitalist who thinks freedom means the freedom to poison, plunder and exploit so if that truly is not libertarianism you can ‘shove it where the sun don’t shine’ but do not pretend it has anything to do with actual freedom or the liberty of the individual.

@wajoma said
Right, the guy with thousands of dollars worth of guns was some kind of robin hood revolutionary shooting up poor folk to redestribute their wealth.

BTW, there's no such thing as free education or free healthcare. Goobermint stinks up the word 'free'. Genuine benevolence is dissuaded and destroyed by goobermint programs.

So says, ''The Creepy Kiwi.''

@kevcvs57 said
You can call yourself anything you like but it will not influence my opinion concerning your opinions in the slightest.
Your opinions are those of a cowboy capitalist who thinks freedom means the freedom to poison, plunder and exploit so if that truly is not libertarianism you can ‘shove it where the sun don’t shine’ but do not pretend it has anything to do with actual freedom or the liberty of the individual.

calm down, take a breath, you're ranting, it makes you look like more of an ijit than you usually do.

@vivify said
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/australia-marks-25-years-since-worst-mass-shooting-2021-04-28/

Australia marks 25 years since worst mass shooting

Within two weeks of the massacre, the then conservative prime minister John Howard had brokered a National Firearms Agreement law limiting licensing and ownership controls of guns.

Australia banned a ...[text shortened]... e community and the evidence since ... is that there have been no mass shootings since then"

If they can do it, we can do it.
Another shooting yesterday, what
more evidence is needed?...Just too many guns
---And I don't care who owns 'em....More guns, more shootings.

@vivify said
Imagine how much higher homicides would be without the gun bans.

you imagine...I deal in facts

@mott-the-hoople said
you imagine...I deal in facts

Then deal with the fact that Australia had zero mass shootings since passing those gun bans and a significant drop in homicides.

@vivify said
Then deal with the fact that Australia had zero mass shootings since passing those gun bans and a significant drop in homicides.

You got something to back this up? It was trending down before the gun ban.

The situation in Aus 1977

https://www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/10157789312624988

@wajoma said
You got something to back this up? It was trending down before the gun ban.

The situation in Aus 1977

https://www.facebook.com/abcnews.au/videos/10157789312624988

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/AUS/australia/murder-homicide-rate

In the years just prior to the gun ban homicides were trending upward, starting in 1992; a few months after the ban was passed, there was a sharp decline in homicides, followed by a steady downward trend for the next 18 years.

Also:

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-australia-solve-mass-shootings-surrendering-its-guns-1710584

There were 13 mass shootings in 18 years prior to the gun restrictions and 0 afterward.

@wajoma said
calm down, take a breath, you're ranting, it makes you look like more of an ijit than you usually do.

I’m not ranting wajoma but I will not accept right wing small government arguments as in some way liberating. It just means we swap power from the idiots we can vote out of power for corporate pigs that we cannot vote out of power.
Let me think about, er no.
I want a strong government to legislate for control of business for certain core things like exploitation of the work force, environmental controls and tax issues.

@wajoma said
I'm a libertarian, you don't know what libertarianism is, for that reason you should not comment on libertarianism because you look like more of an ijit than you normally do.

No, you're not. You're a far out right wing Randian who has joined with other far out right wingers and attempted to expropriate the term "libertarian" from its long established meaning:

"Anarchists have been using the term "libertarian" to describe themselves and their ideas since the 1850's. The revolutionary anarchist Joseph Dejacque published Le Libertaire, Journal du Mouvement social in New York between 1858 and 1861 [Max Nettlau, A Short History of Anarchism, p. 75]. According to anarchist historian Max Nettlau, the use of the term "libertarian communism" dates from November, 1880 when a French anarchist congress adopted it [Ibid., p. 145]. The use of the term "Libertarian" by anarchists became more popular from the 1890s onward after it was used in France in an attempt to get round anti-anarchist laws and to avoid the negative associations of the word "anarchy" in the popular mind (Sebastien Faure and Louise Michel published the paper Le Libertaire -- The Libertarian -- in France in 1895, for example). Since then, particularly outside America, it has always been associated with anarchist ideas and movements. Taking a more recent example, in the USA, anarchists organised "The Libertarian League" in July 1954, which had staunch anarcho-syndicalist principles and lasted until 1965. The US-based "Libertarian" Party, on the other hand has only existed since the early 1970's, well over 100 years after anarchists first used the term to describe their political ideas (and 90 years after the expression "libertarian communism" was first adopted). It is that party, not the anarchists, who have "stolen" the word. Later, in Section B, we will discuss why the idea of a "libertarian" capitalism (as desired by the Libertarian Party) is a contradiction in terms.

As we will also explain in Section I, only a libertarian-socialist system of ownership can maximise individual freedom. Needless to say, state ownership -- what is commonly called "socialism" -- is, for anarchists, not socialism at all. In fact, as we will elaborate in Section H, state "socialism" is just a form of capitalism, with no socialist content whatever."

http://www.spunk.org/library/intro/faq/sp001547/secA1.html#seca13

@vivify said
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/AUS/australia/murder-homicide-rate

In the years just prior to the gun ban homicides were trending upward, starting in 1992; a few months after the ban was passed, there was a sharp decline in homicides, followed by a steady downward trend for the next 18 years.

Also:

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-australia-solve-mass-sho ...[text shortened]... s-1710584

There were 13 mass shootings in 18 years prior to the gun restrictions and 0 afterward.

You know vivify there is a tolerance for your BS links it's like telling lies, it's like the boy that cried wolf too many times, when the trust is gone it's hard to get back.

Despite being burned before I clicked your link, your chart only begins at 1990, but even then (a debatabley insufficient period to show 'trend'😉 it does show, in fact, a 'trend' downwards from 1990 to 1996.

Please, I assure you it's worth your time, read this book, don't worry it's quite short:

"How to Lie with Statistics" Darrell Huff

It's a great read if you don't want to be lied to, but in your case where you wish to lie with statistics you might improve your game.

@wajoma said
You know vivify there is a tolerance for your BS links it's like telling lies, it's like the boy that cried wolf too many times, when the trust is gone it's hard to get back.

Despite being burned before I clicked your link, your chart only begins at 1990, but even then (a debatabley insufficient period to show 'trend'😉 it does show, in fact, a 'trend' downwards from 1990 to ...[text shortened]... t to be lied to, but in your case where you wish to lie with statistics you might improve your game.

I clearly told you "starting from 1992", right? So what "lie" are you talking about?

Your lack of reading comprehension explains your posts.

@vivify said
I clearly told you "starting from 1992", right? So what "lie" are you talking about?

Your lack of reading comprehension explains your posts.

Not a 'trend'.

Even 6 years is pushing it for defining a 'trend'.

Read the book.

@wajoma said
Not a 'trend'.

Even 6 years is pushing it for defining a 'trend'.

Read the book.

As I also pointed out, there were 13 mass shootings in the 18 years up to the year the law was passed. Zero mass shootings afterward.