John Oliver: Australia's Gun Laws

@wajoma said
Corporations corrupt democracy, the state corrupts the corporations.

There's a particularly apt P J O'Rourke quote:

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation the first to be bought and sold are the legislators"

What is it that the state has to sell kev. they don't produce anything, the white house isn't sitting on top of a gold mine, so what is it lobby ...[text shortened]... interest in influencing goobermint, there'd be no benefit for them to pour millions into Washington.

Yeah I guess they were going to take you out and shoot you if you didn’t pay for the experimental vaccines huh wajoma.
If you cannot form an argument without resorting to misinformation and hyperbole then why bother trying to form one at all.
What your describing in your self centred anarchical me, me, me fashion is a government which spent some of the communal funds at its disposal on something you personally did not want them to spend those funds on. That’s how it works and it’s how it’s always going to work. I suggest you find yourself a nice little island on which you can be the dictator of your own sweet self, that way you can spend your palm leaves and coconuts any way you see fit and leave the vast majority of our species to do what we do best. Organise ourselves into larger and larger societal groups where we will pool our resources to the general betterment of the group.
You can choose to be a corporate slave in some Rollerballesque dystopia but you cannot force the rest of us to join you.
Governments are too weak and corporations and money managers are too strong, we need stronger government and weaker corporations not the opposite.

@kevcvs57 said

You can choose to be a corporate slave in some Rollerballesque dystopia but you cannot force the rest of us to join you.

I'd rather not be a slave to giant corporations like Pfizer, Raytheon and others but thanks to goobermints ability to force me to work for them, a system you're an advocate for, they become more empowered.

But you're right I cannot force you, and that's been my point all the way, kev knows what's best for kev, I respect that, I would never force you, I don't want to force anyone, too bad you can't reciprocate.

Your ideas are so bad the only argument you have is force.

@wajoma said
I'd rather not be a slave to giant corporations like Pfizer, Raytheon and others but thanks to goobermints ability to force me to work for them, a system you're an advocate for, they become more empowered.

But you're right I cannot force you, and that's been my point all the way, kev knows what's best for kev, I respect that, I would never force you, I don't want to force ...[text shortened]... nyone, too bad you can't reciprocate.

Your ideas are so bad the only argument you have is force.

It’s not about being forced though, human beings naturally cooperate and engage in joint enterprises. Governments are just a natural logic of that primal instinct. If you get rid of political based governance another form of governance will fill the void. It doesn't take a genius to figure out which section of society that would be. How long before corporations and hedge funds etc would be employing private armies and police forces to defend and promote their interests, some of them do pretty much that already.
Before you dump democratically based political governance you need to figure out how you prevent some other more brutal and unaccountable form of governance from filling the power vacuum.

@kevcvs57 said
It’s not about being forced though, human beings naturally cooperate and engage in joint enterprises. Governments are just a natural logic of that primal instinct. If you get rid of political based governance another form of governance will fill the void. It doesn't take a genius to figure out which section of society that would be. How long before corporations and hedge fun ...[text shortened]... u prevent some other more brutal and unaccountable form of governance from filling the power vacuum.

Of course it's force, Pfizer has made billions, I want nothing to do with them.

You, it is you, you and your goobermint buddies empowering Pfizer, it's your system that forces me to pay for their poison. Billions of dollars of taxpayer money flowing into the corporations, you think goobermint keeps a lid on them, it's goobermint feeding them and suckers like you fall for it.

@wajoma said
Of course it's force, Pfizer has made billions, I want nothing to do with them.

You, it is you, you and your goobermint buddies empowering Pfizer, it's your system that forces me to pay for their poison. Billions of dollars of taxpayer money flowing into the corporations, you think goobermint keeps a lid on them, it's goobermint feeding them and suckers like you fall for it.

🎼Waltzing Mathilda, waltzing Mathilda… la die la die bilabong la🎼

@wajoma said
Of course it's force, Pfizer has made billions, I want nothing to do with them.

You, it is you, you and your goobermint buddies empowering Pfizer, it's your system that forces me to pay for their poison. Billions of dollars of taxpayer money flowing into the corporations, you think goobermint keeps a lid on them, it's goobermint feeding them and suckers like you fall for it.

It wasn’t poison though was it it was a very effective vaccine that probably saved an untold number of lives and allowed us to open our economies earlier than otherwise.
That being said we’ve already established that governments are infinitely corruptible and corporations such as Pfizer have long been in the business of corrupting them.
I’m still waiting for your alternative though given that communal existence and governance of some kind seems to be our natural state. Without some form of democratically accountable government these same corporations would have no obstacle at all to their innate:- corruption, expansion and empowerment cycle.
You never explain what we should have in place of governments, it seems what you want is weak government that is the perfect environment for these evil corporations of yours to flourish and enslave the human race.

@kevcvs57 said
It wasn’t poison though was it it was a very effective vaccine that probably saved an untold number of lives and allowed us to open our economies earlier than otherwise.
That being said we’ve already established that governments are infinitely corruptible and corporations such as Pfizer have long been in the business of corrupting them.
I’m still waiting for your alternat ...[text shortened]... the perfect environment for these evil corporations of yours to flourish and enslave the human race.

There have been thousands of vaccine deaths and injuries, of those that wanted it bad luck, of those that were coerced under threat of losing their jobs and businesses, that's on you kev, That's on you, the goobermint and your corporate buddies.

@wajoma said
There have been thousands of vaccine deaths and injuries, of those that wanted it bad luck, of those that were coerced under threat of losing their jobs and businesses, that's on you kev, That's on you, the goobermint and your corporate buddies.

Well now your just peddling conspiracy theories and outright lies wajoma. Clearly to satisfy your hatred of government and taxes you would sacrifice untold millions to covid suffocation, not to mention the millions of long covid sufferers we would have had to care for in our stretched health care systems.
I know it galls you and your kind wajoma but covid was real, it’s ability to kill and maim was real and the vaccines worked.
Governments, as flawed as they are, have their uses. Right wing ideologues do not, no matter how they dress themselves up as free spirits their misanthropic philosophy will show through the mask.

@wajoma said
There have been thousands of vaccine deaths and injuries, of those that wanted it bad luck, of those that were coerced under threat of losing their jobs and businesses, that's on you kev, That's on you, the goobermint and your corporate buddies.

So says, ''The Creepy Kiwi.''

@kevcvs57 said
Well now your just peddling conspiracy theories and outright lies wajoma. Clearly to satisfy your hatred of government and taxes you would sacrifice untold millions to covid suffocation, not to mention the millions of long covid sufferers we would have had to care for in our stretched health care systems.
I know it galls you and your kind wajoma but covid was real, it’s abi ...[text shortened]... w they dress themselves up as free spirits their misanthropic philosophy will show through the mask.

At this stage, with everything laid open you still believe that? People all jabbed up with 4 shots catching and spreading covid just the same as those that didn't take the seizure syrup, the commanders in chief who poop out the mandates and who must surely follow their own rules catching and spreading covid the same as everyone else, you really don't see that kev? The sheep factor is strong in you.

So here's another thing I don't want to pay for; the goobermint giving money to their media corporate buddies to pump the propaganda. In NZ as everyone was locked in their house by the goobermint they gave 50 000 000** to their select media corporate buddies to pump exactly the propaganda you repeat here. At a time when people had nothing to do but sit in their home scared looking for news about what was happening, these corporations were given 50 000 000** to say nice things about the santa claus money machine, the state.

**this is on top of the paid advertising which we still endure today

Yet another example of the state empowering, bolstering, supporting corporations rather than keeping a lid on them. kev says one thing but he does the exact opposite. Corporations that people should be able to pick and chose to deal with, they are now forced to pay for by the very corporation kev thinks is keeping them in check,

...the biggest baddest corporation of them all, the state.

@wajoma said
At this stage, with everything laid open you still believe that? People all jabbed up with 4 shots catching and spreading covid just the same as those that didn't take the seizure syrup, the commanders in chief who poop out the mandates and who must surely follow their own rules catching and spreading covid the same as everyone else, you really don't see that kev? The sheep fa ...[text shortened]... kev thinks is keeping them in check,

...the biggest baddest corporation of them all, the state.

Wajoma still hasn’t told us his alternative to democratic governance.
He calls any opinion that doesn’t fit within his own philosophy ‘propaganda’.
He tries to insist we can rely on exactly the same corporations that have poisoned our planet and corrupted our democracies to behave themselves and respect individual rights in the absence of democracy.
He is clearly calling for an oligarchical style of governance over democracy but he will not come out and give it a name.

@kevcvs57 said
Wajoma still hasn’t told us his alternative to democratic governance.
He calls any opinion that doesn’t fit within his own philosophy ‘propaganda’.
He tries to insist we can rely on exactly the same corporations that have poisoned our planet and corrupted our democracies to behave themselves and respect individual rights in the absence of democracy.
He is clearly calling for an oligarchical style of governance over democracy but he will not come out and give it a name.

kev thinks if we're free we'll be slaves, slaves to the corporations, kev thinks he's making a stand against that, kev doesn't realise every time the goobermint get's into bed with a coporation millions of reluctant people have to climb in under the covers too to get figuratively raped, they have to work to support those corporations, every week x hours of their productive effort goes to y corporation, literally slaves to the corporations, could be arms dealers, could be drug dealers, could be the propaganda machine, could be something else but kev is a fan for a system that forces people to support the corporations, kev prefers people to be actual slaves, kev's a bit dim.

keep tooting your horn kev, keep the raa raa going for goobermint and their corporate buddies, keep doing anything but open your eyes.

@wajoma said
kev thinks if we're free we'll be slaves, slaves to the corporations, kev thinks he's making a stand against that, kev doesn't realise every time the goobermint get's into bed with a coporation millions of reluctant people have to climb in under the covers too to get figuratively raped, they have to work to support those corporations, every week x hours of their productive eff ...[text shortened]... he raa raa going for goobermint and their corporate buddies, keep doing anything but open your eyes.

Still not brave enough to say what you want to replace democratic governance with then, it must be really bad if you cannot tell us.
Keep blowing hot air wajoma it’s not like you give a rats rear end about the environment.
Wajoma is hoping against hope that we’re dim enough to fall for his right wing corporate fan boy BS.