26 Oct 22
@kevcvs57 saidPrior to global trade appropriate wage levels were once an opinion. Now, if something can be produced elsewhere cheaper elsewhere due to a difference in labor costs, people in your region, are by definition over paid. If your local workers demand extra pay or extra benefits including working conditions that others will forego then items should be produced elsewhere. It will allow consumers to buy things more cheaply, it will allow businesses to make more profits and it will allow workers to shift into jobs they are more comfortable. Your interference with global trade is a way government improperly picks winners and losers and we are all worse off by having more expensive goods.
It’s not silly it’s called protecting your industrial base and defending the wage levels and working conditions of the mass of your population from exploitive practices employed by foreign regimes on their own population being exported to your own population.
Why do you think nations negotiate trade deals with each other.
26 Oct 22
@kevcvs57 saidThe only winner here is the goobermint. Do you think poor (usually non-white) people in poor countries will thank kev for destroying what income they have? Do you think poor people in wealthy countries will thank kev when all their cheap stuff disappears, "Hey my wages went up, oh everything else went up too".
I wouldn’t ban trading with anyone but I would levy a tax on them equivalent to the difference in pay rates between the workers that produced it and what workers in the my country would get for the same work.
Easy peasy lemon squeazy.
And does kev live by his principles, does he refuse to buy products produced by people on less than UK minimum?
That's rhetorical kev,
27 Oct 22
@quackquack saidWhat a stupid post, is it possible that the 10yr old on starvation levels is being underpaid!
Prior to global trade appropriate wage levels were once an opinion. Now, if something can be produced elsewhere cheaper elsewhere due to a difference in labor costs, people in your region, are by definition over paid. If your local workers demand extra pay or extra benefits including working conditions that others will forego then items should be produced elsewhere. I ...[text shortened]... ernment improperly picks winners and losers and we are all worse off by having more expensive goods.
Try again Sherlock
27 Oct 22
@wajoma saidStill not getting it are you son read my post for the third time and sit in a quiet place to mull it over.
The only winner here is the goobermint. Do you think poor (usually non-white) people in poor countries will thank kev for destroying what income they have? Do you think poor people in wealthy countries will thank kev when all their cheap stuff disappears, "Hey my wages went up, oh everything else went up too".
And does kev live by his principles, does he refuse to buy products produced by people on less than UK minimum?
That's rhetorical kev,
@wajoma saidNo kev prefers his government to reach agreements on basic wage levels and working conditions associated with imports, it’s something the grownups are already doing whilst wajoma is buying stuff produced by imprisoned Wuigas on the black market because he only believes in HIS freedom.
kev prefers that they don't get paid at all, let them find out what real hunger is.
27 Oct 22
@kevcvs57 saidkev, you need to go back and reread your own post.
No kev prefers his government to reach agreements on basic wage levels and working conditions associated with imports, it’s something the grownups are already doing whilst wajoma is buying stuff produced by imprisoned Wuigas on the black market because he only believes in HIS freedom.
27 Oct 22
@wajoma saidNo I actually don’t my post was referring to government measures to ensure imports are not undercutting domestic production by means of low wages and working conditions, you tried to make it personal by assuming that I would buy such products but this isn’t about personal choices it’s about collective responsibility actioned by democratically elected governments.
kev, you need to go back and reread your own post.
Once again your low hanging fruit arguments rely on distorting the other posters stance and steering the discussion to the personal.
27 Oct 22
@kevcvs57 saidNo, find a quiet corner, sit down and reread your post, and this time try to understand what you typed..
No I actually don’t my post was referring to government measures to ensure imports are not undercutting domestic production by means of low wages and working conditions, you tried to make it personal by assuming that I would buy such products but this isn’t about personal choices it’s about collective responsibility actioned by democratically elected governments.
Once again ...[text shortened]... t arguments rely on distorting the other posters stance and steering the discussion to the personal.
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27 Oct 22
@quackquack saidWill it?
Prior to global trade appropriate wage levels were once an opinion. Now, if something can be produced elsewhere cheaper elsewhere due to a difference in labor costs, people in your region, are by definition over paid. If your local workers demand extra pay or extra benefits including working conditions that others will forego then items should be produced elsewhere. It will allow consumers to buy things more cheaply
From which wages, exactly?
You're no longer paying them, remember. You're paying a bunch of Chinese party members for the labour of their Tibetan sweatshop slaves, and a bunch of Indian hack "programmers" for the spammy website. You're not paying anyone locally who could buy anything you're trying to sell.
27 Oct 22
@kevcvs57 saidIt is laughable that you think you feel you can interfere with an agreement of employment between a worker and an employer when both sides know what in there best interests far better than you. It is astonishing that you could comment about a labor agreement in a region that you are completely unfamiliar with and have no idea the other opportunities for foreign workers, their skills or needs. I feel very comfortable with the values of free trade and am shocked by the ignorance of protectionism.
What a stupid post, is it possible that the 10yr old on starvation levels is being underpaid!
Try again Sherlock
27 Oct 22
@shallow-blue saidWages should be based o what people negotiate -- nothing else -- employees ad employers know far better their needs than outside regulators. Not all imports are from China, but since you mentioned China they have a completely different set of world conditions from us -- the government provides far more so wages need to be far less. If they are more efficient due to work ethic, skill or they can produce cheaper goods because the government subsidizes it then the consumer and the producers are both better off due to cheaper goods and workers who are willing to work have the jobs they agreed to do. Free market simple makes infinitely more sense than protectionism.
Will it?
From which wages, exactly?
You're no longer paying them, remember. You're paying a bunch of Chinese party members for the labour of their Tibetan sweatshop slaves, and a bunch of Indian hack "programmers" for the spammy website. You're not paying anyone locally who could buy anything you're trying to sell.
28 Oct 22
@shavixmir saidIts me saying you shouldn't impose your standards on the rest of the world. In the western world kids work on farms, do chores and have jobs. I certainly have no problem with other cultures have young people work outside jobs.
Uhuh. Is this you defending child labour?