Debates
10 Oct 23
16 Oct 23
@averagejoe1 saidYes. It was not just a coincidence that hippies, left wing politics and the Civil Rights movement all occurred at the same time. Likewise it is not a coincidence that neocons began taking over the government in the 1980s, cutting taxes etc and homelessness, crime, prison populations etc began to go up.
@AThousandYoung
I assume you are saying that in the early 60's, which I reference above , the civil rights act coincides with the happenings of all the 'hippie' movement, sexual evolution, et al et al, when liberalism blossomed, and came into its own.
Yes, you are correct on this coincidence. Are you saying that one has something to do with the other?
How so? Don't get your drift.
Did I just blow your mind?
16 Oct 23
@averagejoe1 saidTax dollars that go towards prosecuting and incarcerating petty theft far exceeds the theft itself. By many orders of magnitude. All of that money spent is almost completely wasted.
Not being a smarty, but we DO need to deal with cretins, so instead of giving $469B to loser graduates, so that they have a happy life, can we possibly divert that money to more deserving causes? Hire more police, build more prisons, to put them in, maybe 50 to a room, slide dinner under the bars? Upon release, implant the latest gadget into their bodies in a secret plac ...[text shortened]... oo easy? We would OWN them, you understand, All you marxists should certainly go along with that.
Not the same with forgiving federal loans, when the money will instead be spent on Iced lattes at Starbucks instead of writing a check to the federal government. It may not be a perfect investment, but least some of that money is invested in our capitalist economy.
If you're scared of petty thieves, get a concealed carry permit. Leave my tax dollars alone.
16 Oct 23
@wildgrass saidBut why should it be expensive? These criminals are, compared to normal citizens, animals, They want to be. So, lets devise a way where they live like animals, stopping just short of inhumanity. They all live in a huge complex, no amenities except maybe a library of used books to maybe develop themselves. No TV, no anything except an exercise yard. The warden tells them to develop their own society, if they need one. Basic food for them to fight over. The benefit would be that they could be studied by psychologists, psychiatrists, see what makes them tick.
Yeah that's what I thought. Just checking. In many cases the book is way too extreme, resulting in long or permanent prison sentences for petty theft.
[quote]Leandro Andrade was sentenced to 50 years to life for stealing $153 worth of videotapes. Curtis Wilkerson was sentenced to 25 years to life for stealing a pair of socks. Allan McIntosh similarly received a 25-to-life ...[text shortened]... for a guy who steals shoes for his kids?
Throwing the book at shop lifters is way too expensive.
Sound strong? Their crime against society, and your tax money, was strong.
Ironic that you socialist types are sayin as you do to 'leave our tax money alone'!!!!!!! Hell,, I say that every day. Welcome over to our side. How can you say that, when you want to use MY tax money to give to college graduates. That is my money, Wgrass.
16 Oct 23
@wildgr Why should tax payers pay millions for a guy who steals shoes for his kids?Why , WHY should taxpayers pay BILLIONS on paying off the loans of college graduates. There is a man from Mars, a Dr Spock type, visiting me, who fails to see the logic.
He thought I was kidding when I told him it is better to use the money to treat losers to a latte' at Starbucks.
Geez. You people. You like being a liberal.
16 Oct 23
@averagejoe1 said
But why should it be expensive? These criminals are, compared to normal citizens, animals, They want to be. So, lets devise a way where they live like animals, stopping just short of inhumanity. They all live in a huge complex, no amenities except maybe a library of used books to maybe develop themselves. No TV, no anything except an exercise yard. The warden tells th ...[text shortened]... say that, when you want to use MY tax money to give to college graduates. That is my money, Wgrass.
But why should it be expensive?
Uh it's the government mate. Lockheed martins government contract allows it to charge you $100 for a toothbrush.
The point is that 'throwing the book' at small time criminals too lock them up for decades is way to expensive and provides very little benefit.
16 Oct 23
@wildgrass saidI follow, but taking your premise seriously, you are saying that if someone walks into a store and takes a $1200 TV, that he should not be punished. Or, if so, how? I of course would suggest a labor-job digging and loading boxcars, such as that, for a long period of time. He can feed himself and sleep where he wants after hours. He is not paid of course, so, he is free labor to help us recover our losses.But why should it be expensive?
Uh it's the government mate. Lockheed martins government contract allows it to charge you $100 for a toothbrush.
The point is that 'throwing the book' at small time criminals too lock them up for decades is way to expensive and provides very little benefit.
Am I on the right track?
@averagejoe1 saidAJ will crush Joe Biggs with his iron boot...ready to be a slave, Biggs?
But why should it be expensive? These criminals are, compared to normal citizens, animals, They want to be. So, lets devise a way where they live like animals, stopping just short of inhumanity. They all live in a huge complex, no amenities except maybe a library of used books to maybe develop themselves. No TV, no anything except an exercise yard. The warden tells th ...[text shortened]... say that, when you want to use MY tax money to give to college graduates. That is my money, Wgrass.
I of course would suggest a labor-job digging and loading boxcars, such as that, for a long period of time. Joe Biggs can feed himself and sleep where he wants after hours. Biggs is not paid of course, so, he is free labor to help us recover our losses.
17 Oct 23
@shavixmir saidShav….is the Hamas crisis a Hiroshima moment? I remember your saying we shouldn’t have dropped bomb, and rather waged a solid killing war for several years. A million dead rather than the 100000.
https://youtu.be/_qSQXzzJGO8?si=pk_gqRhIOeNliy1L
Fingering the pulse of America.
Damn, it’s funny.
So Klepper is talking to this guy with a trump T-shirt with trump’s mugshot and “Never surrender” on it.
Classic!