05 Oct 23
@moonbus saidBiden in 2020 suggested Trump's restrictions on travel from China over COVID-19 were xenophobic. History proved Biden wrong. Trump was right.
Trump ran up the third highest national debt of any U.S. president in history, and that was before his utter mismanagement of the pandemic. The second highest was run up by George W. Bush. Tell us again about Republicans and fiscal responsibility.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/president-regulate-travel-china-after-he-called-trump-xenophobic
China should have halted those flights out of their country, but they must have wanted to export covid to the USA.....assuming it did not start here first.
05 Oct 23
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@metal-brain saidHe did change the rules, allowing a vote of no confidence (as the British call it) to be forced if a single member called for it. It used to require more than one. This effectively allowed one man to blockade the House. McCarthy was hostage to his single most radical member; an utterly stupid rule change, which goes against the whole principle of democracy whereby plurality, and never a single person, governs or as in this case, where a single person effectively prevents everyone else from governing.
How was he going to change the rules and why does it matter?
Why it matters is that the House controls the purse strings, and without funding, the entire federal government is paralyzed
05 Oct 23
@no1marauder saidWorking with the Democrats to pass a budget was what triggered Gaetz to call for a vote of no confidence. The Democrats had nothing to gain by saving McCarthy’s speakership, as that would have poured gasoline on the fire already rageing within the Republican caucus.
If McCarthy hadn't hit the Sunday talk shows to dishonestly try to blame Democrats for the near shutdown Gaetz and his allies were openly attempting to create perhaps a few Democrats might have been willing to save his position as Speaker.
We'll never know.
The Republicans are solely to blame for this debacle, in that they let themselves be held hostage to their own extremist fringe.
05 Oct 23
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@metal-brain saidBecause there is no evidence you dummy it’s an unadulterated political stunt carried out on the orders of an ex president from the throne room of mar a largo.
"He started impeachment against Biden devoid of evidence"
If there is no evidence then why does it bother democrats in the house?
Why don't they all be like John Fetterman and just laugh it off as if it means nothing?
If there is no wrongdoing to find what are you afraid of?
Why would they save the ass of someone that far embedded in the ultra right wing MAGA party
As if the rep house wasn’t going to start a baseless impeachment enquiry / fishing expedition as soon as they took the house regardless of who the speaker is or was. Stop being an ignoramus.
05 Oct 23
No Democrats in the House voted for McCarthy for Speaker in January 2023. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/06/live-updates-on-house-speaker-vote-gop-leader-mccarthy-fights-for-his-political-future-in-historic-battle-for-the-gavel.html
Why should they have done so in October? Esp. when he refused to even consider negotiating for their vote. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mccarthy-vows-he-wont-make-any-deals-with-democrats-save-his-speakership
05 Oct 23
@moonbus saidI'm pretty sure he could get more than just him to if he had to.
He did change the rules, allowing a vote of no confidence (as the British call it) to be forced if a single member called for it. It used to require more than one. This effectively allowed one man to blockade the House. McCarthy was hostage to his single most radical member; an utterly stupid rule change, which goes against the whole principle of democracy whereby plurality, ...[text shortened]... he House controls the purse strings, and without funding, the entire federal government is paralyzed
Why would it have mattered? The house majority still had to vote for it, right?
05 Oct 23
@moonbus saidThe Republicans are NOT solely to blame since dems voted to oust him.
Working with the Democrats to pass a budget was what triggered Gaetz to call for a vote of no confidence. The Democrats had nothing to gain by saving McCarthy’s speakership, as that would have poured gasoline on the fire already rageing within the Republican caucus.
The Republicans are solely to blame for this debacle, in that they let themselves be held hostage to their own extremist fringe.
05 Oct 23
@metal-brain saidHe refused to even negotiate with Democrats regarding the vote; why should they have supported him?
The Republicans are NOT solely to blame since dems voted to oust him.
05 Oct 23
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@no1marauder saidWhat specific vote are you talking about?
He refused to even negotiate with Democrats regarding the vote; why should they have supported him?
https://rumble.com/v3mlfox-matt-gaetz-calls-mccarthy-a-liar-and-pledges-to-oust-house-speaker.html
05 Oct 23
@metal-brain saidJesus Christ, the one which ousted him.
What specific vote are you talking about?
05 Oct 23
@no1marauder
https://rumble.com/v3mlfox-matt-gaetz-calls-mccarthy-a-liar-and-pledges-to-oust-house-speaker.html
05 Oct 23
@no1marauder saidNegotiating with Democrats is what got him in this mess.
He refused to even negotiate with Democrats regarding the vote; why should they have supported him?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/no-ukraine-funds-mccarthy-throws-11th-hour-hail-mary-avert-shutdown
@metal-brain saidWhat's your point?
@no1marauder
https://rumble.com/v3mlfox-matt-gaetz-calls-mccarthy-a-liar-and-pledges-to-oust-house-speaker.html
Mine is if McCarthy wanted Democratic votes to save his Speakership, he needed to negotiate with them. He refused to.
@no1marauder saidMy point is that if he did he would have appeared to be a puppet of the democrats. Then all the republicans would have voted against him. He was doomed either way.
What's your point?
Mine is if McCarthy wanted Democratic votes to save his Speakership, he needed to negotiate with them. He refused to.
What have democrats gained from ousting McCarthy? Will they be happy with the next speaker of the house? I doubt it.