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@sh76 said
The UN making decisions that are binding by majority vote is an amusing, but tragic concept.

You could probably get a majority of the General Assembly to vote for the literal murder of every white Jew in Israel.

Sorry, we're done relying on the magnanimity of the world community to protect our security.

Been there. Tried that. Didn't work.

This time, it's come for us ...[text shortened]... to the obliteration of the other. That's not a two-state solution. That's a permanent war solution.

Netanyahu has placed Israel in a "permanent war solution".

It's up to the Israeli People to vote in a government that wishes something different.

@shavixmir said
Blah blah blah.
Extremist rhetoric.

Go fvck yourself and your idiotic narrative.

UNRWA, another UN division, caught red-handed, hiring terrorists and teaching children their Jew-killer syllabus. Thankfully when the financiers discovered this they withdrew a lot of the funding.

@no1marauder said
Netanyahu has placed Israel in a "permanent war solution".

It's up to the Israeli People to vote in a government that wishes something different.

Israel has been in a permanent war since 1948, when the Arabs refused to accept the peaceful partition plan. The Arabs wanted war and they are reaping what they sow. The Israeli people do not want a useless govt that will submit to the demands of Islamic extremists.

@Rajk999 said
UNRWA, another UN division, caught red-handed, hiring terrorists and teaching children their Jew-killer syllabus. Thankfully when the financiers discovered this they withdrew a lot of the funding.

No. That’s an exaggeration.
There was an investigation and 9 people were fired.
As for the rest, everything was above board and the 9 “may have had connections”.

You keep coming up with lie after lie. And ignoring the truths that are explained to you.

You’re a nazi thug. Someone drag him and his jackboots out of here and shoot the fvcker.

@shavixmir said
No. That’s an exaggeration.
There was an investigation and 9 people were fired.
As for the rest, everything was above board and the 9 “may have had connections”.

You keep coming up with lie after lie. And ignoring the truths that are explained to you.

You’re a nazi thug. Someone drag him and his jackboots out of here and shoot the fvcker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[WORD TOO LONG].

Summary of allegations
The Wall Street Journal reported the accusations against individual staff as follows:[128]

That an UNRWA Arabic teacher and Hamas commander had allegedly taken part in the Be'eri massacre
That an UNRWA social worker had allegedly been involved in taking the body of an Israeli soldier to Gaza and coordinated Hamas distribution of trucks and munitions.
That an UNRWA teacher was affiliated with Hamas, had photographed a female hostage in Gaza, and worked with another teacher who carried an anti-tank missile in the pre-attack preparations
That an UNRWA employee had allegedly established an operations room for Palestinian Islamic Jihad following the attack
That Hamas had allegedly instructed three other employees, including an Arabic teacher, to arm themselves near the border
That another elementary school teacher had allegedly crossed into Israel and was present in Re'im, an area where militants stormed a kibbutz, a military base, and a music festival
The New York Times reported the allegations against individuals somewhat differently:[129][130]

That seven of the accused were teachers at UNRWA schools
That two worked at schools in other capacities
That a clerk, a social worker, and a storeroom manager also participated in the 7 October attacks
That ten UNRWA staff were members of Hamas, and an eleventh was a member of Palestinian Islamic Jihad
That a school counselor from Khan Younis abducted a woman from Israel in collaboration with his son
That a social worker from Nuseirat distributed ammunition and coordinated vehicles during the attack, as well assisted in bringing the dead body of an Israeli soldier to Gaza
That an employee participated in a massacre that left 97 dead, possibly in reference to the Be'eri massacre

@sh76 said
You could probably get a majority of the General Assembly to vote for the literal murder of every white Jew in Israel.

This bothers me, knowing your history. It seems completely out of left field for you.

I assume you're Ashkenazic then?

Why did you make this statement? Do you subscribe to the belief of white genocide? Or I guess in this case....Ashkenazi genocide?

Why do you believe the world has it out for white Jews specifically?

@vivify said
This bothers me, knowing your history. It seems completely out of left field for you.

I assume you're Ashkenazic then?

Why did you make this statement? Do you subscribe to the belief of white genocide? Or I guess in this case....Ashkenazi genocide?

Why do you believe the world has it out for white Jews specifically?

As I said above, I was exaggerating. I am sorry I brought race into this. It was an outburst. Unless specifically provoked, I'll try to leave race out of this in the future.

Still, I think the GA would vote against Israel in practically any vote these days, and probably by a wide margin.

If Bahrain or Indonesia or someone made a motion before the General Assembly to dissolve Israel and make the Israeli Jews citizens of Palestine, it would probably pass something like 130-60 or so.

I am also sure that the most of the world has zero concern for Israeli security and, though they might go through the motions a bit, would barely mind if a million Israeli Jews got slaughtered. I'm not even saying I blame them. We don't give a damn when a thousands of Sudanese or Tutsis get slaughtered. But my point is that neither I nor Israel is going to rely on the popular vote of the world to determine its security, when that same group of people would probably be perfectly happy to see us destroyed.

@sh76 said
As I said above, I was exaggerating. I am sorry I brought race into this. It was an outburst. Unless specifically provoked, I'll try to leave race out of this in the future.

Still, I think the GA would vote against Israel in practically any vote these days, and probably by a wide margin.

If Bahrain or Indonesia or someone made a motion before the General Assembly to dissol ...[text shortened]... its security, when that same group of people would probably be perfectly happy to see us destroyed.

I am also sure that the most of the world has zero concern for Israeli security.

Maybe - maybe not. I would suggest however there would be more concern for Israeli security around the world if Netanyahu's military campaign didn't include the slaughter and starvation of so many Palestinian women and children that only want to live their simple lives. I would also point out the Biden administration has lavished a great deal of resources on Israel since this conflict began, amid some stiff backlash from his own supporters. This would suggest a fair amount of "concern for Israeli security" in my books.

I don't fault Israel for wanting their hostages returned or to cripple or destroy the Hamas group who started all this, but these Israeli military tactics need some serious refining.

@sh76 said
As I said above, I was exaggerating. I am sorry I brought race into this. It was an outburst. Unless specifically provoked, I'll try to leave race out of this in the future.

Still, I think the GA would vote against Israel in practically any vote these days, and probably by a wide margin.

If Bahrain or Indonesia or someone made a motion before the General Assembly to dissol ...[text shortened]... its security, when that same group of people would probably be perfectly happy to see us destroyed.

Okay.

I don't envy you. Hiding behind civilians makes Israel look like monsters if they retaliate against Hamas.

So I get what you're saying. Either do the unthinkable so more Israelis don't killed, or do nothing just to save face in front of the world.

@mchill said
I am also sure that the most of the world has zero concern for Israeli security.

Maybe - maybe not. I would suggest however there would be more concern for Israeli security around the world if Netanyahu's military campaign didn't include the slaughter and starvation of so many Palestinian women and children that only want to live their simple lives. I would also point out ...[text shortened]... the Hamas group who started all this, but these Israeli military tactics need some serious refining.

The United States is not the world. I never said the United States has zero concern for Israeli security. I said most of the world has zero concern for Israeli security. The US is one of the few exceptions.

===I would suggest however there would be more concern for Israeli security around the world if Netanyahu's military campaign didn't include the slaughter and starvation of so many Palestinian women and children that only want to live their simple lives. ===

I don't agree. I don't think most people in the world would care for Israel one iota more if Israel's military campaign were more circumspect. Now, it's possible that there would be fewer anti-Israel protests and it's even probable that Netanyahu's wantonness is bad for Israel in the long run, but that has nothing to do with whether most of the world wants to save Israel. They don't.

If Israel did nothing in response to Oct. 7 or limited itself to a token "proportional" response, you think suddenly the Indonesians and South Africans would love Israel and want to save it? They'd probably just look at Israel with contempt rather than with anger.

I'm not saying that Israeli policy hasn't been wrong or bad at times. But most of the world is never going to like Israel and so trying to suck up to most of it is pointless.

Realistically, most countries are going to hate Israel no matter what. Israel can shoot for indifference from non-Muslim well-off countries like Japan. In terms of allies, the best it can ever hope for is the US and Canada, maybe some European countries and countries that loathe and fear Israel's enemies more than they loathe Israel. For example, India because of its enmity with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt because they fear the Shiites and Palestinians.

@vivify said
Okay.

I don't envy you. Hiding behind civilians makes Israel look like monsters if they retaliate against Hamas.

So I get what you're saying. Either do the unthinkable so more Israelis don't killed, or do nothing just to save face in front of the world.

When I was much younger, my boss asked me whether I think we should undertake some sort of new marketing campaign. My first question was "Can we afford it?" His response was "That's the wrong question. The question is whether we can afford NOT to do it."

Negotiation with Hamas and the like is the same thing. Hamas is dedicated to Israel's destruction. They say so openly themselves. When I suggest that we need to negotiate with Palestinians and even with Hamas, the response I get from my family and friends is invariably "How can you negotiate with someone whose aim is to kill you?"

My reply is always "Fine. But what is the alternative?" To never negotiate a 2-state solution and continue to run an occupation that is a constant drain on the country? You want to try to shut the extremist Palestinians out of the negotiations? That's impossible 3/4ths of Gazans supported the Oct 7 attack according to polls. Those are the people you need to negotiate with. The IRA and the British didn't like each other either when they made peace.

For better or for worse (mostly worse), Hamas basically represents the will of the people of Gaza. You have to negotiate with those people because there's nobody else to negotitate with.

@sh76 said
When I was much younger, my boss asked me whether I think we should undertake some sort of new marketing campaign. My first question was "Can we afford it?" His response was "That's the wrong question. The question is whether we can afford NOT to do it."

Negotiation with Hamas and the like is the same thing. Hamas is dedicated to Israel's destruction. They say so openly thems ...[text shortened]... ple of Gaza. You have to negotiate with those people because there's nobody else to negotitate with.

SH - I'm sure there is some truth in your post here, but the fact remains the State of Israel sits on a strip of land, surrounded by a number of Muslim countries who covet that area as their holy place just as much as Israel does. As long as this is the case the State of Israel will know no peace. Cling to it all you want if it makes you happy, but I wouldn't come within 1000 miles of the place!

@mchill said
SH - I'm sure there is some truth in your post here, but the fact remains the State of Israel sits on a strip of land, surrounded by a number of Muslim countries who covet that area as their holy place just as much as Israel does. As long as this is the case the State of Israel will know no peace. Cling to it all you want if it makes you happy, but I wouldn't come within 1000 miles of the place!

Well, yeah, that is the problem.

I still think peace is possible in a fashion. I don't think even most Gazans really want to live in a permanent state of war.

It's a very complex problem and requires solutions from great people willing to take great risks and who act with great wisdom.

The closest we ever really came was Olmert and Abbas in 2008 (2000 Camp David and 2001 Taba are more celebrated, but in retrospect, peace with a terrorist thug like Arafat was always going to be difficult).

Maybe one day...

@sh76 said
Well, yeah, that is the problem.

I still think peace is possible in a fashion. I don't think even most Gazans really want to live in a permanent state of war.

It's a very complex problem and requires solutions from great people willing to take great risks and who act with great wisdom.

The closest we ever really came was Olmert and Abbas in 2008 (2000 Camp David and 200 ...[text shortened]... pect, peace with a terrorist thug like Arafat was always going to be difficult).

Maybe one day...

Actually this is not a complex problem at all. Peace is not possible with terrorists who want you dead or out of Palestine. Neither is negotiation or compromise of any value. It is a waste of time. In fact negotiation and prisoner/hostage exchange has been proven to be detrimental to Israel. All those peace talks were futile and they failed because westerners do not understand the mindset of the Islamic extremist.