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How much of a factor is the average guy in Ukraine fighting with his own weapons?

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@athousandyoung said
How much of a factor is the average guy in Ukraine fighting with his own weapons?
In a conventional war? Pretty much useless.

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Agreed.
Once the normal warfare has passed, that’s when mitias or partisans come into play.

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@athousandyoung said
How much of a factor is the average guy in Ukraine fighting with his own weapons?
Alone? Not much.

With others? Thousands of others, as in the Revolutionary War in America? It could be decisive, if not in the outcome, but perhaps others will hear the statement being made, and rise up in numbers sufficient to turn the tide.

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@no1marauder said
In a conventional war? Pretty much useless.
LOL…ask putin

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@mott-the-hoople said
LOL…ask putin
I "asked" this guy:

"To place any dependance upon Militia, is, assuredly, resting upon a broken staff. Men just dragged from the tender Scenes of domestick life—unaccustomed to the din of Arms—totally unacquainted with every kind of Military skill, which being followed by a want of Confidence in themselves when opposed to Troops regularly traind—disciplined, and appointed—superior in knowledge, & superior in Arms, makes them timid, and ready to fly from their own Shadows. Besides, the sudden change in their manner of living (particularly in the lodging) brings on sickness in many; impatience in all; & such an unconquerable desire of returning to their respective homes that it not only produces shameful, & scandalous Desertions among themselves, but infuses the like spirit in others—Again, Men accustomed to unbounded freedom, and no controul, cannot brooke the Restraint which is indispensably necessary to the good Order and Government of an Army; without which Licentiousness, & every kind of disorder triumphantly reign. To bring men to a proper degree of Subordination is not the work of a day—a Month— or even a year—and unhappily for us, and the cause we are Ingaged in, the little discipline I have been labouring to establish in the Army under my immediate Command, is in a manner done away by having such a mixture of Troops as have been called together within these few Months."

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/03-06-02-0305

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@no1marauder said
I "asked" this guy:

"To place any dependance upon Militia, is, assuredly, resting upon a broken staff. Men just dragged from the tender Scenes of domestick life—unaccustomed to the din of Arms—totally unacquainted with every kind of Military skill, which being followed by a want of Confidence in themselves when opposed to Troops regularly traind—disciplined, and ...[text shortened]... gether within these few Months."

https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Washington/03-06-02-0305
that guy is not invading Ukraine.

Viet Nam was a good case in study on this very topic. The US lost.

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@mott-the-hoople said
that guy is not invading Ukraine.

Viet Nam was a good case in study on this very topic. The US lost.
The US didn't fight "militias" in Vietnam nor was that war "conventional" until the final stages.

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@no1marauder said
In a conventional war? Pretty much useless.
Agreed.

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@no1marauder said
The US didn't fight "militias" in Vietnam nor was that war "conventional" until the final stages.
literally stupid to think viet nam wasnt a conventional war. who in the hell do you think was in the tunnels? local militias thats who

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_People%27s_Armed_Forces

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@mott-the-hoople said
that guy is not invading Ukraine.

Viet Nam was a good case in study on this very topic. The US lost.
Correct.

The Viet Cong, aka the militias, won. Good point

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@mott-the-hoople said
literally stupid to think viet nam wasnt a conventional war. who in the hell do you think was in the tunnels? local militias thats who

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_People%27s_Armed_Forces
Sad to say, right wingers on this site are too dumb to know what a "conventional war" or a "militia" is.

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I am an exception.

To learn from the American experience in Vietnam one must understand the nature of the war that was fought there. At no time was it a conventional war; from beginning to end it was a people's or revolutionary war in which both irregular and conventional forces played important roles.

Hybrid War I guess 🤷

https://discover.wooster.edu/jgates/peoples-war-in-vietnam/

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@no1marauder said
Sad to say, right wingers on this site are too dumb to know what a "conventional war" or a "militia" is.
sad to say I gave you are prime example with Viet Nam but you are not man enough to admit it.

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@mott-the-hoople said
sad to say I gave you are prime example with Viet Nam but you are not man enough to admit it.
You are too stubbornly ignorant to realize that Viet Nam was not a "conventional war" (until the end) and the VC were certainly not a "militia".

I'd suggest a dictionary for you, but I'm sure you're too stupid to use one correctly.

EDIT: Here maybe there's a child in your house who can explain this to you: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/militia

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