My health care vs Yours?

@AverageJoe1

Agreed.

Canada and it's Socialist health care is a joke.

Almost 5 weeks will have passed when I get a blood test and then they will put me in line for other tests...
Up here you could die just waiting for a diagnosis. 🤷

Oh but it's "free" they say 🙄
Taxing everyone 15% on everything is not "free"...

@zahlanzi said
emergency healthcare.

i am really confused here.

Who the fuk do you think you're fooling with these lies? Who do you think will believe you known liars and not the countless americans telling people how they were slapped with 3000$ ambulance rides? How they must cut monthly insulin doses just to afford rent or food? The ones that didn't go to a doctor for years (yearly checkups don't count as emergencies) because they couldn't afford the copay only to discover they have terminal or late stage cancer for which they couldn't afford chemo anyway?

please. i am really confused. name just one person on this site gullible enough to believe your crap

@Zahlanzi
I think ER's have to deal with immediate trauma but if uninsured they would not let you have an operation for something more serious.

@sonhouse said
@Zahlanzi
I think ER's have to deal with immediate trauma but if uninsured they would not let you have an operation for something more serious.

@averagejoe1 said
You know, Zahlanzi, except for the truly destitute, whom a govt should care for, people have opportunities in this country to blaze their trail which includes selective health care. You socialists need not worry, apparently. But we, being independent sorts, plan our lives without govt controlling our ass. If a guy with 3 kids cannot afford health insurance premiums, he ...[text shortened]... have to understand it, since the govt in Romania is all wrapped up in your life. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

@Zahlanzi
When one becomes a Trump Zombie, you give up such pesky things as truth and that pesky empathy thing.

I think the empathy node in Trump's brain was surgically removed by his dad's docs so he would not screw up QUITE so bad but it didn't work, he screwed up anyway and still has ZERO, or maybe even ten BELOW zero empathy rating.

@contenchess said
Movies and anti Americans like Zahlanzi want people to think hospitals turn people away if they can't pay.

It makes for a good story but it simply isn't true.

@zahlanzi said
i am really confused here.

Who the fuk do you think you're fooling with these lies? Who do you think will believe you known liars and not the countless americans telling people how they were slapped with 3000$ ambulance rides? How they must cut monthly insulin doses just to afford rent or food? The ones that didn't go to a doctor for years (yearly checkups don't count as ...[text shortened]... please. i am really confused. name just one person on this site gullible enough to believe your crap

@averagejoe1 said
Good afternoon, Zahlanzi. My friend I wrote about? If he needs such ambulance, it will pick him up, in record time, and deliver him to the best facility, and drive off. He will pay nothing.
A concept maybe unknown there is to provide for your own medical care, with medical insurance. It is one of man's greatest inventions, right up there with compound interest. ...[text shortened]... ething I can zero in on with a waffling liberal. Pray tell, what exactly have I said that is crap?

@zahlanzi said
First of all you're a disgusting human being for suggesting to someone with 3 kids who can't afford healthcare for them he would have been better off without the third. We all know you're disgusting, we don't need you confirming that each and every post you make

Secondly, healthcare costs are not something you can plan for, even some of the time. You don't plan on gettin ...[text shortened]... other country just because the prostitutes they bought in congresss make it legal for them to do so.

@sonhouse said
@Zahlanzi
When one becomes a Trump Zombie, you give up such pesky things as truth and that pesky empathy thing.

I think the empathy node in Trump's brain was surgically removed by his dad's docs so he would not screw up QUITE so bad but it didn't work, he screwed up anyway and still has ZERO, or maybe even ten BELOW zero empathy rating.

@jimm619 said
They can't turn you away
but they can sure as hell
sue you for the money
after you're discharged........
They use collection agencies and/or
garnish your paycheck.

@zahlanzi said
neah, i consider he became a trumpette precisely because he has no empathy

@Contenchess in Canada no one dies due to a lack of insurance. Canadians can purchase private insurance to cover things not covered by the government plan. In the U.S. insurance companies generally contract with providers so you are usually unable to go to any doctor or hospital without paying extra out of pocket fees. Canadians pay far less for the same prescription drugs U.S, citizens use. Canadians do not go bankrupt paying for health care.
https://archive.thinkprogress.org/can-canadians-purchase-private-health-insurance-coverage-ed7a25f9c602/

"The August Town Halls have buried any meaningful coverage of the health care debate. Groups like Freedomworks and Americans For Prosperity are generating wild rumors about the proposed health care reform and the overwhelming majority of media coverage has merely contrasted protesters’ claims with administration retorts, while failing to correct the record. The format creates the illusion of balance and, by giving equal time to a false claim, pads disingenuous arguments.

Fortunately, this report from NPR’s Sarah Varney is a respite from the norm. Rather than reprinting the claim that Canadian health care system indiscriminately rations care, Varney actually examines the Canadian health care system and concludes that it’s getting a “bum rap.” Just like Medicare beneficiaries who protest against “government health care,” protesters who use Canadian care as an example of “government interference” or rationing, will be surprised to learn that the Canadian health care system relies on both government and private insurers to provide Canadians with comprehensive coverage:

Canada has a universal health care system that’s paid for through income taxes and sales tax. All Canadians are covered, and they can see any doctor they want anywhere in the country with no copays or deductibles….And while the individual provinces and territories set their overall health budgets and administer the health plans, the delivery of medical care is private. Doctors run their own businesses and then bill the government.

As it turns out, the system works fairly well:

– Physicians in Canada earn a good living and aren’t faced with the same administrative hassles that American doctors gripe about.

– The Commonwealth Fund looked at deaths that could have been prevented with access to quality medical care in the leading 19 industrialized countries. In the latest survey, the United States ranked last and Canada came in sixth.

– When federal spending on Canadian health care declined during a recession in the 1990s, lines for non-urgent procedures — and some urgent ones — grew. In response, Canada’s government poured billions of dollars into reducing wait times in the five medical areas deemed most troublesome, including cancer care, cardiac care and joint replacement surgery. And wait times for these services has dropped: Most provinces now report those times on publicly available Web sites.

– Few Canadians go south for medical care. Canadian researchers say it’s a bit like getting struck by lighting — it’s extremely rare, but when it happens, everyone talks about it.

– Public opinion polls continue to show strong support for publicly financed, universal health care in Canada.

Varney contradicts the oft-repeated claim that Canadians can’t purchase health insurance coverage by writing that many Canadians purchase private coverage for “optometry, dentistry and outpatient prescription drugs” — services the public plan does not cover. Yet at the end of the piece, she quotes a pollster who notes that the Canadian health care system “’is not something that everybody is completely satisfied with or complacent about.’ About half of Canadians say they would like the option to buy a private health insurance plan. Currently, that’s not allowed.”
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Canadians can purchase supplemental private coverage for services that are not covered by the public plan, but cannot purchase private insurance for basic services. As CBC News points out, private health insurance is “a crucial part of the system,” and Canadians spent about $43.2 billion on private coverage in 2005. Private insurance covers “anything beyond what the public system will pay for. For instance, should you have to spend some time in the hospital, the public system will cover the cost of your bed in a ward, which usually has three other patients. If you want a private room, the extra charge will come out of your pocket, unless you have extended health coverage either through your employer or through a policy you have bought yourself.”

Basic services are covered by the government precisely because the large risk pools allow the government to negotiate cheaper rates with providers and control health care costs. The government fears, with good reason, that if Canadians can leave the purchasing pools, the government’s market power would diminish."