11 Dec 06
We seem to go round and round in circles debating whether global warming exists and trying to discredit the opponent's scientific evidence. Here's how I see it:
- Humans are a species in an ecosystem, just like any other species.
- Every ecosystem has a finite number of resources.
- If one species in an ecosystem overpopulates and starts using up all the resources, they will eventually destroy the stability of the ecosystem and it will collapse.
- humans are not an exception to this rule.
Therefore, it makes good sense, since we are a very overpopulated species, to try to minimise our use of resources and prolong our ecosystem. This also makes good sense, in the shorter term, from an economic perspective (If I use less power, I have a lower power bill). So why waste time argueing over whether global warming exists, when it is obviously a good idea to follow it's prevention principles (i.e. resource minimisation) regardless.
11 Dec 06
Originally posted by whiterose...interestingly, this is also a good argument for letting the starving in Africa die and ignoring natural disasters like the Tsunami in Indonesia.
We seem to go round and round in circles debating whether global warming exists and trying to discredit the opponent's scientific evidence. Here's how I see it:
- Humans are a species in an ecosystem, just like any other species.
- Every ecosystem has a finite number of resources.
- If one species in an ecosystem overpopulates and starts using up all t ...[text shortened]... sly a good idea to follow it's prevention principles (i.e. resource minimisation) regardless.
It's a funny old world!
11 Dec 06
Originally posted by howardgeeTrue. It is also an arguement for halting medical advances and letting the weak die out. Survival of the fittest. It would probably be better for the survival of the human race as a whole if we did all of these things. However, nobody wants it to be them that doesn't get selected. I for one would not be alive today if it wasn't for modern medicine. We could, however, feed all of the world's population several times over with curent grain production. The fact that this doesn't happen tells me that there is still that selfish will to survive at the expense of others in all of us.
...interestingly, this is also a good argument for letting the starving in Africa die and ignoring natural disasters like the Tsunami in Indonesia.
It's a funny old world!
11 Dec 06
Originally posted by whiteroseCongratulations whiterose, you’ve just thrown in with the elitists/socialists/greens! Thankfully, the predictions by Thomas Malthus, which you’ve “discovered” in a roundabout way (which, by the way, proves the theorem about a thousand monkeys and a thousand typewriters) have always proven wrong.
We seem to go round and round in circles debating whether global warming exists and trying to discredit the opponent's scientific evidence. Here's how I see it:
- Humans are a species in an ecosystem, just like any other species.
- Every ecosystem has a finite number of resources.
- If one species in an ecosystem overpopulates and starts using up all t ...[text shortened]... sly a good idea to follow it's prevention principles (i.e. resource minimisation) regardless.
12 Dec 06
Originally posted by der schwarze RitterThanks! I don't know about elitist, but I'm happy to be called a green (why would I not be). The predictions of Thomas Malthus have to do with famine, which I explained in my last post is only a huge problem today because of vastly unevenly distributed resources. There are many other ways to die than starving, and history has shown that if you continue to change an ecosystem it will eventually not be able to support the life forms that it once did.
Congratulations whiterose, you’ve just thrown in with the elitists/socialists/greens! Thankfully, the predictions by Thomas Malthus, which you’ve “discovered” in a roundabout way (which, by the way, proves the theorem about a thousand monkeys and a thousand typewriters) have always proven wrong.
12 Dec 06
Originally posted by badmoon🙂
Should we turn off our computers?
Probably, but I think that if I can get people to think about saving energy in other ways, it will be worth the energy used to write this. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm hopeful.
Let's start with something simple, like turning appliances off at the wall when you're not not using them.
12 Dec 06
It rained last night .. hard.
It made some noise and I thought for a minute that the sky was falling .. but it didn't.
Today we have storm surf (sweet) 6-10 ft .. and the sun came up.
I caught a few good rides and then got crushed in a big set .. two 14 yr olds pulled me up on shore and we smoked a big fatty.
It close but I think it might be OK after all.
12 Dec 06
Originally posted by jammerYet more searing insight from the RHP's own village idiot.
It rained last night .. hard.
It made some noise and I thought for a minute that the sky was falling .. but it didn't.
Today we have storm surf (sweet) 6-10 ft .. and the sun came up.
I caught a few good rides and then got crushed in a big set .. two 14 yr olds pulled me up on shore and we smoked a big fatty.
It close but I think it might be OK after all.
12 Dec 06
Originally posted by whiteroseMaybe if you ceased blowing hot air up everyones arse we could turn off the air conditioners.
🙂
Probably, but I think that if I can get people to think about saving energy in other ways, it will be worth the energy used to write this. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm hopeful.
Let's start with something simple, like turning appliances off at the wall when you're not not using them.
You're hopeful .. but you're wrong .. again.
Turn off your computer .. give it a rest.
12 Dec 06
Originally posted by jammerSo because the sky didn't fall down on your head today you believe that nothing we do affects the ecosystem we live in?
It rained last night .. hard.
It made some noise and I thought for a minute that the sky was falling .. but it didn't.
Today we have storm surf (sweet) 6-10 ft .. and the sun came up.
I caught a few good rides and then got crushed in a big set .. two 14 yr olds pulled me up on shore and we smoked a big fatty.
It close but I think it might be OK after all.
12 Dec 06
Originally posted by whiteroseThat's quite a leap .. for a child
So because the sky didn't fall down on your head today you believe that nothing we do affects the ecosystem we live in?
I think almost everytime you post you spew ignorance, arrogance, and a total absence of any credibilty .. but don't let that stop you ... Howie loves it.
You have a fan .. now go pull your pud and visualize him.
12 Dec 06
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Originally posted by jammerGood to see your posts are still full of an outstanding amount of hypocrisy.
That's quite a leap .. for a child
I think almost everytime you post you spew ignorance, arrogance, and a total absence of any credibilty .. but don't let that stop you ... Howie loves it.
You have a fan .. now go pull your pud and visualize him.
I mean calling someone a child and arrogant then proceeding to post exactly the same thing you are berating other for is astoundingly stupid. It does wonders for your credibility too when all you do is insult people and not actually add anything intelligent to these forums.
12 Dec 06
Originally posted by jammerYet again, you cannot attack my arguements so you attack me. Not a very good debate strategy. If you would like to discuss the topic, feel free. Otherwise, I would appreciate it if you would stop ranting on about me, as it is getting tiresome.
That's quite a leap .. for a child
I think almost everytime you post you spew ignorance, arrogance, and a total absence of any credibilty .. but don't let that stop you ... Howie loves it.
You have a fan .. now go pull your pud and visualize him.