@handyandy saidIt is true. So why not hold the people who did this responsible?
Whether or not that's true, is there any reason this issue should become a political football?
@eladar saidAsk yourself the same question about the hospital.
Benefit of 20/20 hindsight? Really?
At what point in this lockdown did we not know the elderly in Nursing Homes are at the highest risk?
What if your mother was in one of those nursing homes?
Oh wait, you and your family are rich enough, so who cares what happens to the poor?
What if your mother needed a hospital bed, but a convalescing healthy-enough-to-go-home COVID patient was taking it so she died in the ER hallway.
The thing about the rich/poor makes absolutely zero sense. I mean none. Do "rich" people (whatever that even means) not go to nursing homes? WTF are you talking about?
@sh76 saidThere were plenty of beds, they never ran out. There was an empty ship available.
Ask yourself the same question about the hospital.
What if your mother needed a hospital bed, but a convalescing healthy-enough-to-go-home COVID patient was taking it so she died in the ER hallway.
The thing about the rich/poor makes absolutely zero sense. I mean none. Do "rich" people (whatever that even means) not go to nursing homes? WTF are you talking about?
So why not empty one nursing home, quarantine the healthy ones for a week or two in a empty facility, then move them into a different nursing home?
Use one facility for all covid patients.
Seems easy enough and logical. But no, they just sprinkled covid patients among multiple facilities.
You never answered my question, would you want your mother in a facility with covid patients in it?
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@eladar saidI have a theory about that ship. It probably wasn't empty.
There were plenty of beds, they never ran out. There was an empty ship available.
So why not empty one nursing home, quarantine the healthy ones for a week or two in a empty facility, then move them into a different nursing home?
Use one facility for all covid patients.
Seems easy enough and logical. But no, they just sprinkled covid patients among multiple facilities ...[text shortened]...
You never answered my question, would you want your mother in a facility with covid patients in it?
@handyandy saidRiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Whether or not that's true, is there any reason this issue should become a political football?
We would only do that if Trump did same. Then you would have an endless thread.
@handyandy saidThere was no immediate need for hospital beds, just a fear of a need.
What other choices did they have on March 25?
If the need did arise...
They could house the recovering covid patients in a temporary hospital or rent out a hotel for the purpose of housing the sick nursing home residents.
Not sure I understand what's going on here, but if it's the same as the U.K. this whole thread might be based on misunderstanding.
In the U.K. tests of Nursing Home residents revealed asymptomatic COVID positive residents already in the Nursing Homes, as might be expected given the high percentage of asymptomatic carriers. It was realised these Nursing Homes would have to rigorously barrier nurse all residents to avoid spreading the virus to their other highly vulnerable residents.
The Nursing Homes that were now barrier nursing could accept convalescent COVID positive patients from hospital as well as asymptomatic COVID positive patients who had been to hospital for unrelated reasons and had tested positive whilst there.
The decision that certain Nursing Homes could do this without changing the already present risk to residents enabled them to take some of the pressure off hospital beds.
Sorry if that spoils the political football game.
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I guess the doctors in the US were clueless.
From the article
New York Mandates Nursing Homes Take Covid-19 Patients Discharged From HospitalsState cites urgent need to expand hospital capacity; doctors group says decision ‘represents a clear and present danger to all of the residents of a nursing home.’
@sh76 saidNo, rich people do not go to those nursing homes. Those nursing homes take in people without money on medicare.
Ask yourself the same question about the hospital.
What if your mother needed a hospital bed, but a convalescing healthy-enough-to-go-home COVID patient was taking it so she died in the ER hallway.
The thing about the rich/poor makes absolutely zero sense. I mean none. Do "rich" people (whatever that even means) not go to nursing homes? WTF are you talking about?
@Eladar Either that or they got a quote/ selective quote out of somebody who wasn't fully briefed as it does sound bad without the detail.
Could of course be a different thing to what I'm aware of in the U.K.
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@petewxyz said@petewxyz
@Eladar Either that or they got a quote/ selective quote out of somebody who wasn't fully briefed as it does sound bad without the detail.
Could of course be a different thing to what I'm aware of in the U.K.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1191811
This explains what was happening in more detail.
@eladar saidNo it's mixed but the barrier nursing techniques keep the two groups completely separate. This came in when they realised a number of Nursing Homes were already mixed groups after discovering asymptomatic carriers already in the resident group. Presumably the virus already got in before the lockdown. I think they were shocked to find them, but that's just how contagious it really is!
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So in the UK only covid people could be in covid nursing homes. That is the way to do it.