Originally posted by Dace AceDon't be surprised Ace. It seems about the only thing that's illegal in the Magic Kingdom anymore is being politically incorrect.
It's crappy when those that we should be able to trust abuse that trust. Sounds like they (police) had quite the goon squad going. I can not believe that there is no way to bring these ya-hoo's to justice.
Speaking of, check this out:
Muslim Officer Refuses To Shake Hands With Chief
Incident highlights integration problems in Great Britain
By Associated Officer, Tariq Panja
Published on 1/22/2007 in Nation, World » National News
London — Police said Sunday that a Muslim woman officer had refused to shake hands with London's police chief during a graduation ceremony last month due to her religious beliefs, fanning a debate in Britain over the assimilation of Muslims into society.
The woman — whose identity was not revealed — asked to be excused from the customary handshake with Metropolitan Police Commissioner Ian Blair during the ceremony, saying her faith prohibited her from touching a man other than her husband or a close relative.
Blair immediately questioned the validity of her request, said a Metropolitan Police spokeswoman, speaking on condition of anonymity in keeping with force policy.
“Ordinarily the (police force) would not tolerate such requests. This request was only granted ... to ensure the smooth running of what is one of the most important events in an officer's career,” the spokeswoman said.
She said the incident was still being looked into by the force, but she declined to say whether the officer could face punishment.
The handshake refusal follows a string of highly publicized incidents involving the traditional headscarf worn by Muslim women.
In October, former Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, now leader of the House of Commons, said he routinely asked Muslim women visiting his office to remove their veils. A Muslim teaching assistant in northern England was then fired from her job for refusing to remove a black veil that left only her eyes visible. A Muslim lawyer also refused a judge's orders to remove her veil during a hearing.
Prime Minister Tony Blair eventually jumped into the debate, saying the full-face veil is “a mark of separation” and urging all immigrants to integrate into British society.
Muslim groups defended the police officer who refused to shake the commissioner's hand, saying her beliefs would not affect how she carried out her job and calling for greater understanding of different cultures.
Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the London-based Islamic Human Rights Commission, said the “overwhelming majority” of practicing Muslims avoid physical contact with members of the opposite sex unless they are closely related. But he added that those employed as police officers or doctors are routinely exempt from the rule in order to fulfill their duties.
My question is, how can she be expected to be an effective police officer, if she will touch a male/non-Muslim/etc... and how did she get through training with this mind set??
Originally posted by Dace AceI'd guess what she's saying is that she is able to do this where necessary in the line of duty, but that she doesn't think it is necessary at the graduation ceremony.
Speaking of, check this out:
Muslim Officer Refuses To Shake Hands With Chief
Incident highlights integration problems in Great Britain
By Associated Officer, Tariq Panja
Published on 1/22/2007 in Nation, World » National News
London — Police said Sunday that a Muslim woman officer had refused to shake hands with London's police chief ll touch a male/non-Muslim/etc... and how did she get through training with this mind set??
But you're right, it is daft.
Edit: It is also remarkable though, that a post about Northern Ireland very quickly gets round to criticism of a muslim.
Originally posted by RedmikeSo I guess she is saying her religion only counts when she sees fit?
I'd guess what she's saying is that she is able to do this where necessary in the line of duty, but that she doesn't think it is [b]necessary at the graduation ceremony.
But you're right, it is daft.
Edit: It is also remarkable though, that a post about Northern Ireland very quickly gets round to criticism of a muslim.[/b]
Originally posted by RedmikeWhere does she state that it's OK in the performance of her duties? You said that, not her.
No.
If you read the previous post, she is allowed an exemption to the rule in the course of her duties. She, presumably, doesn't consider shaking hands with the boss part of her duties.
Originally posted by Dace AceHer loyalties aren't divided ay all. No sir. No way. You can count opn her. IN fact, I would send her to the Muzzie 'hoods. I bet she won't give them any special treatment at all.
Speaking of, check this out:
Muslim Officer Refuses To Shake Hands With Chief
Incident highlights integration problems in Great Britain
By Associated Officer, Tariq Panja
Published on 1/22/2007 in Nation, World » National News
London — Police said Sunday that a Muslim woman officer had refused to shake hands with London's police chief ...[text shortened]... ll touch a male/non-Muslim/etc... and how did she get through training with this mind set??
Will she arrest somebody who is eating a ham sandwich?
Originally posted by LennyBruceFrom the original post "Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the London-based Islamic Human Rights Commission, said the “overwhelming majority” of practicing Muslims avoid physical contact with members of the opposite sex unless they are closely related. But he added that those employed as police officers or doctors are routinely exempt from the rule in order to fulfill their duties."
Where does she state that it's OK in the performance of her duties? You said that, not her.
Originally posted by MerkWasn't there a similar case in the US recently - where the authorities decided they wanted (facially) clean-shaven police officers, but a couple of officers succesfully appealed on religious grounds?
Her loyalties aren't divided ay all. No sir. No way. You can count opn her. IN fact, I would send her to the Muzzie 'hoods. I bet she won't give them any special treatment at all.
Will she arrest somebody who is eating a ham sandwich?
Originally posted by RedmikeOOps, I stand corrected. But being introduced to the chief of police upon graduation and behaving in a socially appropriate manner would seem to be part of her performance of duties, don't you think?
From the original post "Massoud Shadjareh, chairman of the London-based Islamic Human Rights Commission, said the “overwhelming majority” of practicing Muslims avoid physical contact with members of the opposite sex unless they are closely related. But he added that those employed as police officers or doctors are routinely exempt from the rule in order to fulfill their duties."
Originally posted by LennyBruceLike you said, it isn't what I think which matters.
OOps, I stand corrected. But being introduced to the chief of police upon graduation and behaving in a socially appropriate manner would seem to be part of her performance of duties, don't you think?
She obviously thinks otherwise.
Like I said, I think it is a bit daft, but not really a major story.
I think all religions are equally daft, but I think people should be equally free to practise their daftness. If the rest of us can accomodate this without any inconvenience, I see no problem.
Originally posted by RedmikeWho'd have guessed?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6286695.stm
It seems there's to be no prosecutions though.😞
Oh wait. We all did. Years ago.
So, it wasn't just anti-catholic banter then...mhmmmm...
So, there were evil forces at play, besides the IRA...mhmmm...
So, it seems these things only come to light AFTER people start talking...mhmmm...
Lessons to be learnt...mhmmm...
Na. Probably not.
Funny that Paisley's party rubbishes the report, isn't it?
Originally posted by shavixmirYeah - where's Prince of Orange when we need him.
Who'd have guessed?
Oh wait. We all did. Years ago.
So, it wasn't just anti-catholic banter then...mhmmmm...
So, there were evil forces at play, besides the IRA...mhmmm...
So, it seems these things only come to light AFTER people start talking...mhmmm...
Lessons to be learnt...mhmmm...
Na. Probably not.
Funny that Paisley's party rubbishes the report, isn't it?
His slant on this would be a hoot.