@averagejoe1 saidI agree, nor did Comey.
I predict that none of th criminals that Durham Investigation turns up will 'see a prison cell'. Hillary didn't, and they wont
07 Sep 20
@averagejoe1 saidYou keep saying this, like it has any connection to fact.
No, I beg to differ. Perfect Storm? Hey, in a perfect storm, like the movie with George Clooney, who would you want at the helm. Joe Biden, wannabe nothing for 57 years, or Donald J Trump?
I thought so. Get with it everyone....be careful what you wish for. You are voting for AOC. The women is strong, tho, if you want strong. She would cut you.
07 Sep 20
@AverageJoe1 - You are voting for AOC. The women is strong, tho, if you want strong. She would cut you.
Well... I don't know how strong she is but what a rack!
😆
07 Sep 20
@mchill saidHaha, of course, I do not, but I thought that anything posted in the Debates forum was open for the debate and discussion of all members of the forum.
Is your name No1Maruder or SH 76? Do you have a law degree? 🙄
If you wanted something more private and no dissent, perhaps a private message would be more suited for your purposes.
07 Sep 20
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@mott-the-hoople saidHahaha ‘lock her up’ ‘lock her up’ we need a stronger word than hypocrite for this one.
why are liberals so vindictive, wanting to punish those they dont agree with?
Bringing a criminal to justice isn’t revenge, it’s justice.
07 Sep 20
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@vivify saidThat would work only for Federal charges. The NYS criminal investigations into the Trump organization would be unaffected:
If he loses (not as likely as you think) he could just resign and have Pence give him a Nixon-style preemptive pardon.
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Manhattan’s top prosecutor on Monday agreed to delay enforcement of a subpoena for eight years of President Trump’s tax returns.
Cyrus Vance Jr., the Democratic district attorney for Manhattan, had the legal right as of this Friday to enforce a New York grand jury subpoena to obtain a lengthy financial paper trail that includes Trump’s corporate and personal tax records.
But Vance has agreed to temporarily shelve the subpoena against Trump’s accounting firm, Mazars USA. The delay allows for another round of litigation, extending the nearly yearlong court battle over the subpoena in which Trump has lost every bout, including a landmark decision last month at the Supreme Court.
The deal between the Manhattan district attorney’s office and Trump’s lawyers comes after a federal district judge in New York last week denied Trump’s latest bid to invalidate the subpoena.
Within hours, Trump's personal attorneys asked the New York-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit to halt the judge’s ruling from taking effect while they mount an appeal. The appeals court denied Trump's request for an emergency stay.
The developments freed up Vance’s office to pursue Trump’s taxes as early as this Friday, following a weeklong lag that Vance had previously agreed to. But instead of executing the subpoena for Trump’s records, Vance agreed to delay things further.
As a result of the deal, Trump has at least one more opportunity to argue in court that the subpoena for his tax records is unlawful. The 2nd Circuit will hear arguments Sept. 1.
The dispute over access to Trump’s financial records arose after Vance obtained a grand jury subpoena for Trump’s accounting firm, which Trump has tried for nearly a year to fend off in court fights.
Last month the Supreme Court rejected Trump’s claim that presidents enjoy absolute immunity from criminal probes, but said he could raise additional objections to the subpoena in lower courts.
Judge Victor Marrero, a federal trial court judge in the Southern District of New York, last week dismissed Trump’s argument that the subpoena was overly broad and issued in bad faith.
Marrero rejected Trump’s argument, saying it “amounts to absolute immunity through a back door.” The ruling prompted Trump's appeal to the 2nd Circuit.
"Vance's office is looking into payments made to silence two women who allege they had affairs with Trump, including adult-film star Stormy Daniels, before he became president, as well as possibly extensive criminal conduct at the Trump Organization."
https://thehill.com/regulation/513370-manhattan-prosecutor-agrees-to-shelve-subpoena-for-trump-tax-returns
07 Sep 20
@averagejoe1 saidI predict the Durham investigations won't return any more criminal charges other than the one already resolved.
I predict that none of th criminals that Durham Investigation turns up will 'see a prison cell'. Hillary didn't, and they wont
07 Sep 20
@earl-of-trumps saidThat's the thing; you have to actually have sufficient evidence of a crime being committed to bring charges.
I agree, nor did Comey.
07 Sep 20
@no1marauder saidIsn't Trump being investigated for *federal* crimes?
That would work only for Federal charges. The NYS criminal investigations into the Trump organization would be unaffected
I understand that presidential pardons wouldn't stop an investigation but wouldn't they would prevent punitive actions (like prison sentences) resulting from those investigations?
07 Sep 20
@mchill saidThe tax returns will probably be forced out eventually, faster if he's out of office. I have to admit that I am curious as to what he's hiding, but I'm not sure it could be any worse than has already been speculated. Obviously, the tax returns are not going to contain prima facie evidence of criminal activity. Maybe they'll show that he loopholed his way out of paying taxes for 9 years or that his failed businesses were worse than we'd imagined.
You're the legal guys, your opinions please:
If Donald Trump loses in November (very likely) what kind of legal problems will he face when 1. He won't be able to take refuge behind the oval office. 2. William Barr will no longer be A.G. 3. Mitch McConnell can no longer offer him cover in the Senate 4. Those tax return and financial records will be finally be made available. ...[text shortened]... ump, his company, and his foundation begin to wrap up.
It's looks like a perfect storm to me. 😏
I'm not sure what is to be gained by prosecuting a 75 year old ex-President. I don't think a Biden administration will spend much capital or resources on trying to prosecute Trump. Assuming he leaves office peacefully, that would seem like a pointless and vindictive use of federal resources.
07 Sep 20
@vivify saidThey might (or might not, obviously) turn up evidence of state criminal activity, which would be unaffected by a federal pardon.
Isn't Trump being investigated for *federal* crimes?
I understand that presidential pardons wouldn't stop an investigation but wouldn't they would prevent punitive actions (like prison sentences) resulting from those investigations?
08 Sep 20
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@sh76 saidI'm not sure what is to be gained by prosecuting a 75 year old ex-President. I don't think a Biden administration will spend much capital or resources on trying to prosecute Trump. Assuming he leaves office peacefully, that would seem like a pointless and vindictive use of federal resources.
The tax returns will probably be forced out eventually, faster if he's out of office. I have to admit that I am curious as to what he's hiding, but I'm not sure it could be any worse than has already been speculated. Obviously, the tax returns are not going to contain prima facie evidence of criminal activity. Maybe they'll show that he loopholed his way out of paying taxes for ...[text shortened]... leaves office peacefully, that would seem like a pointless and vindictive use of federal resources.
Translation: If you're rich, old, and politically well connected, you're past crimes are largely overlooked. This is really pathetic. So, does this mean (since I'm 66) If I rob a bank and steal $100,000 it would be a "pointless and vindictive" use of taxpayers $$ prosecuting me? Or do I need political connections too?? The possibilities here are intriguing 😏
08 Sep 20
@mchill saidAre they things that would have crossed anyone's radar had he not been President? If yes, then prosecute him. If they are things that would never have been brought up if he hadn't been President, then prosecuting him would be like the DOJ going after Hillary over the email nonsense.
I'm not sure what is to be gained by prosecuting a 75 year old ex-President. I don't think a Biden administration will spend much capital or resources on trying to prosecute Trump. Assuming he leaves office peacefully, that would seem like a pointless and vindictive use of federal resources.
Translation: If you're rich, old, and politically well connected, you're past cri ...[text shortened]... $$ prosecuting me? Or do I need political connections too?? The possibilities here are intriguing 😏
08 Sep 20
@sh76 saidThis brings up the probability that the allegations could be used as leverage to secure a peaceful transition should Trump lose the election.
The tax returns will probably be forced out eventually, faster if he's out of office. I have to admit that I am curious as to what he's hiding, but I'm not sure it could be any worse than has already been speculated. Obviously, the tax returns are not going to contain prima facie evidence of criminal activity. Maybe they'll show that he loopholed his way out of paying taxes for ...[text shortened]... leaves office peacefully, that would seem like a pointless and vindictive use of federal resources.
Although I would still find it hard to imagine Trump and peaceful transition in the same sentence.
08 Sep 20
@mghrn55 saidDepends what you mean by peaceful.
This brings up the probability that the allegations could be used as leverage to secure a peaceful transition should Trump lose the election.
Although I would still find it hard to imagine Trump and peaceful transition in the same sentence.
He'll probably whine about voter fraud and fake mail ballots and the like on Twitter for a few days, but once the electoral college votes him out, will he literally try to use force to keep power? I don't see it.