@metal-brain saidTo prove infection, you need a positive test and then a negative test. So, even if he was, we could not prove it. Antibodies tests don't prove prior infection (especially in people who are vaccinated).
How do you know your son was not infected in the last 6 months?
He could have been asymptomatic.
12 Oct 21
@sh76 saidAfraid of what? What other things they are putting into the vax, or long term consequences that may show up 10 or so years from now.
I understand. I do think that after several months of reading the data, one ought to be able to more objectively look at the facts, but that's a fine line.
I'm against mandates. I think the COVID vaccines are great, but not airtight. They also present some risk and, in some cases, the risk/benefit analysis becomes close.
Everyone needs to look at the data and look at the f ...[text shortened]... g vaxxed because I'm afraid" I think that should be respected, whether I think it's rational or not.
I fear people and their intent to do harm, not a virus.
12 Oct 21
@eladar saidYour life revolves around fear.
Afraid of what? What other things they are putting into the vax, or long term consequences that may show up 10 or so years from now.
I fear people and their intent to do harm, not a virus.
In particular, your fear of humanity.
Maybe that's why I muck around in this forum (maybe more than I should).
Free market capitalism vs Socialism debate is valid, but secondary.
But I just don't believe that humanity should be led by people who are frightened of humanity.
13 Oct 21
@sh76 said"Antibodies tests don't prove prior infection"
To prove infection, you need a positive test and then a negative test. So, even if he was, we could not prove it. Antibodies tests don't prove prior infection (especially in people who are vaccinated).
What is your source of information?
@metal-brain saidI know three people who tested positive for antibodies after vaccination without prior infection.
"Antibodies tests don't prove prior infection"
What is your source of information?
At most, testing positive (assuming the test works) for antibodies proves:
1. prior COVID infection; OR
2. vaccination; OR
3. prior exposure or vaccination to a coronavirus the produced antibodies with enough similarity to SARS-CoV-2 antibodies to "fool" the antibodies test
15 Oct 21
@sh76 saidOnce a person is vaccinated there is no need for antibody testing, but whether the antibodies are from natural infection or vaccination you still confirm some degree of immunity from covid, but not necessarily the SARS2 virus. That only comes from natural immunity.
I know three people who tested positive for antibodies after vaccination without prior infection.
At most, testing positive (assuming the test works) for antibodies proves:
1. prior COVID infection; OR
2. vaccination; OR
3. prior exposure or vaccination to a coronavirus the produced antibodies with enough similarity to SARS-CoV-2 antibodies to "fool" the antibodies test
Natural immunity is superior than gene vaccines. You are unlikely to get the virus again and spread it like vaccinated people can.
You need to clarify #3. Were you drinking when you wrote that?
15 Oct 21
@metal-brain saidOf course I was drinking. 8 cups of water a day, they say. That takes a lot of time.
You need to clarify #3. Were you drinking when you wrote that?
Okay, I'll break it down:
1. There are lots of circulating coronaviruses, not just SARS-CoV-2.
2. They all produce antibodies in reaction when they infect someone
3. Antibodies produced against one coronavirus may not be all that different from those produced against another
4. The antibodies tests we have may not be able to 100% distinguish between antibodies to one coronavirus as opposed to another
Antibodies are not segregated tools only brought out against the specific virus they were produced to fight. There's lots of cross-immunity, where antibodies produced against one virus can fight other ones.
16 Oct 21
@sh76 said" There are lots of circulating coronaviruses, not just SARS-CoV-2"
Of course I was drinking. 8 cups of water a day, they say. That takes a lot of time.
Okay, I'll break it down:
1. There are lots of circulating coronaviruses, not just SARS-CoV-2.
2. They all produce antibodies in reaction when they infect someone
3. Antibodies produced against one coronavirus may not be all that different from those produced against another
4. The anti ...[text shortened]... t. There's lots of cross-immunity, where antibodies produced against one virus can fight other ones.
It has been suggested that PCR tests detect other coronaviruses, not just SARS-CoV-2. That would mean the coronavirus that causes the common cold might be mistakenly counted as SARS-CoV-2. That would explain why the cold and flu is perceived as so rare this year and SARS-CoV-2 is over counted.
Can PCR tests distinguish between SARS-CoV-2 and other coronaviruses? After all, if antibody tests cannot do that why should PCR tests be able to? If PCR tests are positive for all coronaviruses then the tests are over counting covid cases. Right?
19 Oct 21
@metal-brain saidIt's supposed to be able to make that distinction, but probably not 100% of the time.
" There are lots of circulating coronaviruses, not just SARS-CoV-2"
It has been suggested that PCR tests detect other coronaviruses, not just SARS-CoV-2. That would mean the coronavirus that causes the common cold might be mistakenly counted as SARS-CoV-2. That would explain why the cold and flu is perceived as so rare this year and SARS-CoV-2 is over counted.
Can ...[text shortened]... If PCR tests are positive for all coronaviruses then the tests are over counting covid cases. Right?