18 Jul 10
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Originally posted by EladarWhat is it that makes medicine so expensive in the U.S. compared to other rich countries?
The poor have other options, such as visiting an emergency room. I wish we could afford to have universal healthcare, but we can't. Medicine in the US is just too expensive. All Obama is doing is running this country into the ground. Most Americans know this. I can't wait for the next election.
18 Jul 10
Originally posted by whodeyThe subsidies won't go into effect until 2014 so there is no reason to craft an Executive Order NOW which prohibits the use of subsidy money for abortions.
http://gopleader.gov/Blog/?CatagoryID=3739
House Republican Leader John Boehner, in a meeting with President Obama and Congressional leaders at the White House today, asked President Obama to provide the American people with a progress report on the implementation of his Executive Order which proports to ban taxpayer-funding of abortions. Health and Human ...[text shortened]... d as the federal government continues on its merry way unaccountable and untouchable.
This is yet another example of whodey either being easily mislead or completely dishonest.
18 Jul 10
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Originally posted by no1marauderI see, so the administration is going to wait until the last possible minute to create the executive order? Why would they do such a thing when they know what a controversial issue this is? In short, why wait at all?
The subsidies won't go into effect until 2014 so there is no reason to craft an Executive Order NOW which prohibits the use of subsidy money for abortions.
This is yet another example of whodey either being easily mislead or completely dishonest.
18 Jul 10
Originally posted by whodeyThere's nothing "controversial" about it; it was agreed to as part of the bill. It would be idiotic to craft Executive Orders which will not go into effect for 3 1/2 to 4 years.
I see, so the administration is going to wait until the last possible minute to create the executive order? Why would they do such a thing when they know what a controversial issue this is? In short, why wait at all?
There's no big conspiracy and certainly no lie no matter what your right wing blog sites say. Stepak and others voted for the bill with the understanding that an implementing Executive Order would be declared at an appropriate time which is what will be done. I don't see any of the anti-abortion Democrats who voted for the bill complaining only Republicans who voted against it.
Like soooooooooooooooo many of your threads, there's nothing of substance here except you making a completely false claim but that's utterly typical of your work product on this forum.
18 Jul 10
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Originally posted by no1marauderWhy wasn't it included in the bill? Why must we wait for an executive order? My guess is that it will either never come OR some president down the road can overturn it.
There's nothing "controversial" about it; it was agreed to as part of the bill. It would be idiotic to craft Executive Orders which will not go into effect for 3 1/2 to 4 years.
There's no big conspiracy and certainly no lie no matter what your right wing blog sites say. Stepak and others voted for the bill with the understanding that an g a completely false claim but that's utterly typical of your work product on this forum.
18 Jul 10
Originally posted by FMFYou made the comment that a "lie" was being propogated that Obamacare is not universal care, so I will ask again, who will not be covered?
Ask Hugh Glass, he posts on just this issue quite frequently.
The U.K. , for instance, has universal healthcare.
18 Jul 10
Originally posted by whodeyThe Administration said no explicit wording was necessary in the health care legislation as the Hyde Amendment already bars Federal funds from being used to pay for abortion. Stupak offered an amendment to the health care bill which would have added such an explicit (and unnecessary provision) but in the final negotiations agreed to withdraw it if an Executive Order was promulgated to the effect that the health care bill didn't allow funding for abortions. That's what happened and Stupak, if not you, is apparently satisfied:
Why wasn't it included in the bill? Why must we wait for an executive order? My guess is that it will either never come OR some president down the road can overturn it.
Stupak, however, questioned the motivations of the Obama administration’s critics, accusing some pro-life groups of “politicizing life issues in an effort to undermine health-care reform.”
“The president’s executive order makes clear that federal funds may not be used for abortion under the Affordable Care Act — including the pre-existing condition insurance pools currently being implemented in Pennsylvania and states across the country,” said the statement released by Stupak’s office.
“In accordance with the executive order, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has directed states that federal funds provided under health-care reform may not be used to fund abortion,” the statement continued. “HHS has reiterated this policy in response to the current accusations from the National Right to Life Committee.”
http://www.ncregister.com/register_exclusives/taxpayers_now_foot_bill_for_abortions/
So the entire premise of your argument i.e. that Stupak and other anti-abortion Democrats wouldn't have voted for the bill if they had known how the Administration would subsequently proceed is false. If you had pretensions of being honest, you'd withdraw the claim.