Obama's done it this time

Originally posted by PinkFloyd
Man, this guy must WANT a Republican in the White House! He's said some boneheaded things, but that quote out of Oregon today? That sealed it. He announced that the rest of the world was not going to just "keep saying it's okay" for us (Americans) to drive our SUV's, eat all we want, and keep our thermostats set at 72 all the time.
1. Just who does ...[text shortened]... effete elitist in this jerk. Once again, the party "of the people" has feet of clay.

An American viewpoint if ever there was one.

Puke.😞

Originally posted by der schwarze Ritter
The "reality" is that the United States is sovereign nation not beholden to "the rest of the word," the opinions of the EU, nor the U.N.

You are right. The US is PART OF THIS WORLD....why not start acting like it?

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Originally posted by no1marauder
An actual link to a specific quote would be nice.

when we cut and paste stuff for you.. you whine and bee itch, find the link yourself

Originally posted by spurs73
you wont get that from PINK...he made it up to suit his own point of view as he usualy does and as do most of the right wing posters on this forum

You won't get a link from me, that's true. But it's because I Wouldn't know how to give you one. I've indicated I'm a proud Luddite; I don't type all that rubbish you people constantly throw out with no explanation--i,e, New Thread---Topless Bars

[b] www.inyourface.com wikipedia/bigandbouncy/index/?p$s

I've no time for trivialities. He said it; I told you what he said; that settles it.

Originally posted by uzless
An American viewpoint if ever there was one.

Puke.😞

I am sure when you are looking for new leadership in Ottawa, your going to look to the USA for our opinion, right? When you are ready to step out of our shadow, please feel free.

Originally posted by Dace Ace
I am sure when you are looking for new leadership in Ottawa, your going to look to the USA for our opinion, right? When you are ready to step out of our shadow, please feel free.

But that's not what all this is really about. All Obama was saying was that the U.S.A.'s addiction to SUVs and thermostats set at 72 has an impact on the U.S.A.'s relationship with the rest of world. Would he have been a responsible (possible) leader-in-waiting if he had not brought it up?

Originally posted by zeeblebot
do they have aircraft carriers?

So, the US is not beholden to "the rest of the world," the opinions of the EU, nor the U.N. ... because of its aircraft carriers?

So any other country with aircraft carriers (and, let's say, nuclear weapons) is similarly not beholden to the rest of the world, the opinions of the EU, UN ... and the US?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Well we (the rest of the world) are starting to get more power and influence internationally and if we don't like what we see in the US we might do something about it. You may not care, but it will affect you wither you like it or not.

Unless we turn into the bad guys and start taking resources by force from other nations (which I find ridiculous),[ een.
You will change your tune when the Chinese have the upper hand (which they will soon).

What is "economic strong arming"?

Please elaborate about how the US is getting oil from Iraq (besides paying for it).

Originally posted by treetalk
So, the US is not beholden to "the rest of the world," the opinions of the EU, nor the U.N. ... because of its aircraft carriers?

So any other country with aircraft carriers (and, let's say, nuclear weapons) is similarly not beholden to the rest of the world, the opinions of the EU, UN ... and the US?

more cars mean more parking lots.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
What is "economic strong arming"?

Start by looking up 'farm subsidies'. Then look into the World Bank, 'foreign debt'. The US does not have fair trade relations with the rest of the world. The fact that much of the worlds economy is centered around the US and the US dollar enables the US to force unfair trade agreements on other countries.
Also many African countries were persuaded (by various means including bribery) to take massive loans from First world monetary institutions at exorbitant interest rates. They have been paying for it ever since. When I worked in Zambia, about half my income tax was going directly to pay off loans taken out before I was born.

Please elaborate about how the US is getting oil from Iraq (besides paying for it).
How much oil were they getting before attacking and conquering it? How much of the money they are 'paying for it' is actually staying in Iraq and not going to US companies?

Originally posted by Thequ1ck
I thought that was Iran's argument?

The argument applies equally to the United States as well as Iran.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
What is "economic strong arming"?

Please elaborate about how the US is getting oil from Iraq (besides paying for it).

I believe "economic strong arming" essentially amounts to what is called "market power" in economics. It means that agent/player in the market is so large that they can influence the price with their individual decisions.

Alternatively, he could be saying that the US uses it's power in arenas outside of a specific market to influence that market's price. Basically, we distort the optimal production decision in a competitive market (marg. benefit = marg. cost) by influencing the either the marg. benefit or marg. cost with factors external to the market itself.

BTW I'm not claiming that we, the US, do any of this specifically, although we almost certainly do. Generally, a large market player will. It's game theory.

Originally posted by PinkFloyd
[/b]You won't get a link from me, that's true. But it's because I Wouldn't know how to give you one. I've indicated I'm a proud Luddite; I don't type all that rubbish you people constantly throw out with no explanation--i,e, New Thread---Topless Bars

www.inyourface.com ...[text shortened]...

I've no time for trivialities. He said it; I told you what he said; that settles it.

Prove what he said by supplying a link which gives an exact quote. Or simply say what the source for this was.

Originally posted by SMSBear716
when we cut and paste stuff for you.. you whine and bee itch, find the link yourself

There's a big difference between simply cutting and pasting an entire article AND providing an actual link to a quote that an entire thread is based on! It's virtually certain that PF screwed it up.

Originally posted by no1marauder
Prove what he said by supplying a link which gives an exact quote. Or simply say what the source for this was.

"PF" has a perfect eidetic memory, so he didn't screw anything up. I heard the man's speech--there IS no "link". I don't require such a tedious device to get my info. Since the speech, Obama has been sound-bited ad nauseum on the news channels, especially the parts I mentioned (setting of thermostats @ 72 + driving SUVs + eating all we want = other countries not sitting back and saying okay, fine with us, any longer.---paraphrased). And anyone who's heard it knows he said EXACTLY what I said he did. You wanna source? Here ya go, sonny--my source was Obama;s mouth to my ear. "Link" 'til your sweet little pea-pickin' heart desires. 😀