@Zahlanzi saidIf you are okay with selling baby parts when plan parenthood does that why would you argue selling live ones?
Look what i found on libertarianism.org :
https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/baby-selling
It reads like something from theonion. Give it a try. I would love to see who would argue here the merits of baby selling amd how
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@Zahlanzi saidYou are against baby selling? Yet you are in support of using children and babies as human shields in Gaza?
Look what i found on libertarianism.org :
https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/baby-selling
It reads like something from theonion. Give it a try. I would love to see who would argue here the merits of baby selling amd how
@Zahlanzi saidOMG. You found an article by Walter Block. You may want to disinfect your computer. Walter Block is an Austrian school economist, a senior fellow of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, and a real nut-job.
Look what i found on libertarianism.org :
https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/baby-selling
It reads like something from theonion. Give it a try. I would love to see who would argue here the merits of baby selling amd how
Here are some more beauties of his:
"Block believes that people should have the legal right to sell themselves into slavery, or to buy and keep slaves who have sold themselves into slavery, in a libertarian legal order."
"Block asserts that sexual harassment "that takes place between secretary and her boss is not a coercive action like the pinching that takes place in the public sphere." He claims this is the case since the secretary "agrees to all aspects of the job when she agrees to accept the job and especially when she agrees to keep the job". He calls this a "package-deal". "
"Block has written about punishment of those engaging in "statist, governmental or other gangster activity". He argues there should be "a presumption that all government employees are guilty of a crime against humanity," though he notes that this presumption can be rebutted in many cases, such as that of U.S. Congressman and Mises Institute Senior Fellow Ron Paul. Block examines issues like restitution of land taken through eminent domain and possible retribution against politicians, IRS employees, and others who cooperated in governmental activity. He describes rules by which libertarian "Nuremberg Trials" might operate."
I have NEVER heard a Libertarian candidate talk about baby-selling. This article, from 1979, is on the Cato Institute's library website. Cato is a private think-tank and doesn't speak for the Libertarian Party.
There is a history of extreme ideas in the libertarian circle that stretches from David Friedman, through Murray Rothbard and von Mises all the way back to Ayn Rand.
@spruce112358 said""Block believes that people should have the legal right to sell themselves into slavery, or to buy and keep slaves who have sold themselves into slavery, in a libertarian legal order.""
OMG. You found an article by Walter Block. You may want to disinfect your computer. Walter Block is an Austrian school economist, a senior fellow of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, and a real nut-job.
Here are some more beauties of his:
"Block believes that people should have the legal right to sell themselves into slavery, or to buy and keep slaves who have sold t ...[text shortened]... t stretches from David Friedman, through Murray Rothbard and von Mises all the way back to Ayn Rand.
hah i heard that one too 😀 not the rest though
i came across this because i was watching a hasanabi video on how trump was booed at a libertarian rally and as a side note, "what are some wacky ideas some libertarians have" came up
"I have NEVER heard a Libertarian candidate talk about baby-selling. This article, from 1979, is on the Cato Institute's library website. Cato is a private think-tank and doesn't speak for the Libertarian Party."
don't know about the libertarian party just that a candidate aiming to be on their ticket was booed for suggesting driving licenses are actually ok.
this was on the libertarianism.org site, who libertarians seem to praise. if they wouldn't agree with the awesome arguments being made for making selling babies legal, they shouldn't have posted it.
schlafly was some cow from the 70's, such a lovely woman.
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@Zahlanzi saidHehe... I know the libertarian guy who refuses to get a driver's license on principle.
don't know about the libertarian party just that a candidate aiming to be on their ticket was booed for suggesting driving licenses are actually ok.
He farms out in Western North Carolina.
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@Zahlanzi saidIt's a library and resource website. Somebody thinks it is interesting to archive such stuff.
this was on the libertarianism.org site, who libertarians seem to praise. if they wouldn't agree with the awesome arguments being made for making selling babies legal, they shouldn't have posted it.
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@Zahlanzi saidEveryone believes we have to behave ourselves and not harm others. But what about ensuring that everyone's rights are protected equally?
no libertarian willing to support baby selling? aww.
at least you do have some boundaries, at least our own red hot pawn libertarians
I claim that requiring the acceptance of that 2nd notion - an obligation to help in the equal protection of rights - is what allows civilization to exist.
Some Libertarians reject that 2nd notion. They say it is 'slavery' to force them to help protect someone else's rights, e.g. with tax dollars that support government, and they should be 'free' to opt-out of that. 'Things will be fine without taxes and government!' they assert. 'Taxation is theft!' they shout.
It's really an axiomatic difference: do you believe in one societal obligation (behave yourself) or two (and help protect the rights of others)? But that decision leads to very different conclusions.
@spruce112358 said"Some Libertarians reject that 2nd notion. They say it is 'slavery' to force them to help protect someone else's rights, e.g. with tax dollars that support government, and they should be 'free' to opt-out of that. "
Everyone believes we have to behave ourselves and not harm others. But what about ensuring that everyone's rights are protected equally?
I claim that requiring the acceptance of that 2nd notion - an obligation to help in the equal protection of rights - is what allows civilization to exist.
Some Libertarians reject that 2nd notion. They say it is 'slavery' to force ...[text shortened]... two (and help protect the rights of others)? But that decision leads to very different conclusions.
And when you press them for details on this, it's when they invent the same government we have today, only worse. (because they still have to go through all the iterations to improve it that we already did)
"It's really an axiomatic difference: do you believe in one societal obligation (behave yourself) or two (and help protect the rights of others)?"
they are simply two facets of the same concept. To believe the first can exist without the second is laughably naive. Is the equivalent to believing Santa exists.
But i am confused. Is this related to baby selling? Or you're bored waiting for libertarians and want to have a chat? I wouldn't mind, i definitely won't entertain the sociopaths
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@Zahlanzi saidNaive, yes. But some people only learn by doing.
"It's really an axiomatic difference: do you believe in one societal obligation (behave yourself) or two (and help protect the rights of others)?"
they are simply two facets of the same concept. To believe the first can exist without the second is laughably naive. Is the equivalent to believing Santa exists
So in the spirit of fair-play, I would give them 10,000 sq miles around El Paso, Texas to try it. See if they can create a society using only the first obligation and not the second.
I think it ends more or less like Haiti and Somalia, but they always pooh-pooh that prediction.
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@Zahlanzi saidIf two alt-right people have a baby, I’m perfectly willing to sell them and the kid as pig feed.
Look what i found on libertarianism.org :
https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/baby-selling
It reads like something from theonion. Give it a try. I would love to see who would argue here the merits of baby selling amd how
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@spruce112358 said"let's do a libertarian utopia someplace where the roads and schools and hospitals have already been built, we will figure out how to build roads and schools when the current ones break"
Naive, yes. But some people only learn by doing.
So in the spirit of fair-play, I would give them 10,000 sq miles around El Paso, Texas to try it. See if they can create a society using only the first obligation and not the second.
I think it ends more or less like Haiti and Somalia, but they always pooh-pooh that prediction.
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@Zahlanzi saidLmao. Yeah. Libertarian house cats are CONVINCED they are fully wild tigers... until it's supper time.
"let's do a libertarian utopia someplace where the roads and schools and hospitals have already been built, we will figure out how to build roads and schools when the current ones break"