14 Dec 21
@metal-brain saidYou made the original claim of the opposite which I replied to, the onus is on YOU to come up your source.
Prove it then. What is your source?
Typical conspiracy theorist “do your own research” BS.
14 Dec 21
@shavixmir said“Although I disagree with Divegeester’s numbers on this matter, he’s way closer to reality on the issue than you.”
Nobody needs to prove anything to you.
You’re in a rabbit hole and you can’t get out.
I’ve linked you to the NHS, the RIVM, the CDC, the FDA… giving you all available data and research, yet you continue to ignore every official site on the matter and cling to lies and false reporting by people who are not actually scientists, virologists or working in the health sector.
...[text shortened]... ut time and time again to you.
Naaaa, it’s just one big world-wide conspiracy…. Sure. Sure it is.
The number I quoted was widely reported in the uk media in the last few weeks and months. National statistics were quoted by them in their editorials and I’m totally confident in my repeating the of the base number.
@divegeester saidDuring the Summer it was indeed roughly 90%.
“Although I disagree with Divegeester’s numbers on this matter, he’s way closer to reality on the issue than you.”
The number I quoted was widely reported in the uk media in the last few weeks and months. National statistics were quoted by them in their editorials and I’m totally confident in my repeating the of the base number.
It’s lower now. Not because the vaccines are less effective, however, but because the percentage of the vaccinated population is very high.
Vaccines offer about 94% protection.
So, 6 out of every 100 people aren’t properly protected by it (usually old people and people with underlying illnesses).
So, as more and more people are either vaccinated or recovered, the hospital population shifts.
So, if you look at the current statistics (40% of current hospitalisations in the UK are unvaccinated) and that this group is representative of 14% (or so) of the population, it’s a massive over representation.
In the IC’s it worse still.
Hence that I don’t totally agree with your numbers, but the message is exactly the same.
And equally hence, it’s why the omicron variant is particularly worrying. It looks like it can re-infect and that a third shot prevents that from happening (the research results are just trickling in, so it might be less severe than anticipated, but governments are suitably worried and are hurrying just in case).
If the research proves the worst case scenario, it means the 14% of unvaccinated people are gonna be filling up the hospitals again. So, by boostering everyone else, you can attempt to keep the health system from overloading.
It’s also the reason why vaccine mandatory discussions are being held in several countries. You can’t keep locking down societies, bowing to the wishes of a minority, destroying business and over-working hospital workers. These measures are fine for short term use, but they’re not going to work in the long term management of society.
14 Dec 21
@divegeester saidYou made this claim:
You made the original claim of the opposite which I replied to, the onus is on YOU to come up your source.
Typical conspiracy theorist “do your own research” BS.
"In the UK 95% of the people hospitalised or dead with covid were not double vaccinated"
That is not true. I am so confident that is not true I am willing to bet you on it.
If I can prove you wrong by the end of the year you create a thread saying "Metal Brain was right and I was wrong". If I fail to do so I will do the same for you.
Do you accept the bet?
15 Dec 21
@metal-brain saidIt’s still way further towards the truth than anything you’ve managed to spew forth on the subject.
You made this claim:
"In the UK 95% of the people hospitalised or dead with covid were not double vaccinated"
That is not true. I am so confident that is not true I am willing to bet you on it.
If I can prove you wrong by the end of the year you create a thread saying "Metal Brain was right and I was wrong". If I fail to do so I will do the same for you.
Do you accept the bet?
15 Dec 21
@shavixmir saidSo you acknowledge it is not true just as I said.
It’s still way further towards the truth than anything you’ve managed to spew forth on the subject.
I thought so.
15 Dec 21
@metal-brain saidThe problem is that everything you say is a lie or stupid. So it gets confusing.
So you acknowledge it is not true just as I said.
I thought so.
@metal-brain saidSo that's what you've come down to.
You made this claim:
"In the UK 95% of the people hospitalised or dead with covid were not double vaccinated"
That is not true. I am so confident that is not true I am willing to bet you on it.
If I can prove you wrong by the end of the year you create a thread saying "Metal Brain was right and I was wrong". If I fail to do so I will do the same for you.
Do you accept the bet?
Disputing whether the actual number is 95% or 93% or 90% and asking for proof.
I've already stated that it is common knowledge that the numbers being talked about are in the ballpark.
And no.....you're not getting a link.
Pathetic troll !!
15 Dec 21
@mghrn55 saidThat number is not even close.
So that's what you've come down to.
Disputing whether the actual number is 95% or 93% or 90% and asking for proof.
I've already stated that it is common knowledge that the numbers being talked about are in the ballpark.
And no.....you're not getting a link.
Pathetic troll !!
Care to make a bet on it? Same terms.
15 Dec 21
@metal-brain saidShut up. Go and get yourself laid or something.
That number is not even close.
Care to make a bet on it? Same terms.
15 Dec 21
@shavixmir saidCare to make a bet on it? Same terms.
Shut up. Go and get yourself laid or something.
15 Dec 21
Breakthrough cases aside, unvaccinated Americans have made up the vast majority of deaths over the past few months (trends identified in the chart below come from health departments in 24 of 50 US states).
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59645307
Just look at the bottom chart on that page.
It explains everything.
16 Dec 21
@shavixmir saidCovidiot alert!
Breakthrough cases aside, unvaccinated Americans have made up the vast majority of deaths over the past few months (trends identified in the chart below come from health departments in 24 of 50 US states).
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59645307
Just look at the bottom chart on that page.
It explains everything.
Of course covidiot. People who die within 14 days of getting the gene vaccines are counted as unvaccinated deaths.
16 Dec 21
@metal-brain saidThe national pulse… hahaha
https://thenationalpulse.com/news/a-pandemic-of-the-vaccinated/