21 May 21
@vivify saidIt's a conflict over property that is of major cultural and symbolic value to both sides. Religion is part of culture but not the only part.
Final question: the conflict at the mosque which escalated the violence, do you believe religion was a factor or was really just used as an excuse for Hamas to attack?
21 May 21
@athousandyoung saidAgreed.
It's a conflict over property that is of major cultural and symbolic value to both sides. Religion is part of culture but not the only part.
"it is both political and religious."---Vivify
22 May 21
@averagejoe1 saidThe end is in sight.
We prob all recognize that after all these hundreds of years, that there is no end in sight. It will never end. Does anyone think otherwise?
It will take political will and morality though.
As I stated in another thread, the times are changing. The newer generations have far less guilt about WW2 and the political perspective on what Israel is doing is changing.
One more generation of new politicians and even the US will stop backing Israel’s behaviour.
Get Hamas to lay down arms and just scream blue murder about what’s happening; frame the victimhood, rather than the pointless chest beating (physically they will not beat Israel and chucking rockets only helps the Israeli PR) and matters will go even quicker.
The 70’s and 80’s are gone. The 90’s and 2000’s are fading. The 1940’s are notes in history books.
The time for trying to fight because no one is listening has been superceded by tic-tok, Twitter and social media news.
Israeli conservative politicians know this. They know their time of international support is ending. Cornered rats, etc.
@helder-octavio saidHelder, welcome in and thanks for the contribution.
"Palestine has never been a country or a state".
https://www.institutoliberal.org.br/blog/politica/afinal-o-que-e-a-palestina/
However, do you or your author propose that - even if it is "the land of the Jews", since when does that give "the Jews"
the right to throw people of their land who were born there, just because they have a different religion?
This is all very hideous, not to mention the incredibly hostile treatment existing Arabs get in Israel.
Further, who said the Jews of Europe OWN Israel? These are not the Sephardi Jews of the Ancient Israel,
these are European Ashkenazi Jews of Europe who have no ethnic connection to the Sephardi and have
no ancestors that came from Israel. They are in fact, European invaders.
Sorry, I can in no way accept your author's (or your) reasoning, as it is race-based and ill informed.
22 May 21
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Whoopie Goldberg is an African American actress who converted to Judaism.
Would anyone in here with a conscience propose that Whoopie Goldberg, a Jew, has the right to go to Israel
and throw a Palestinian family out of their house and claim it as hers?
Because that is close to what really happened in Palestine when Hungarians, British, German, Russian,
and other ethnics that converted to Judaism did that in the 20th century to innocent Palestinians in Palestine.
22 May 21
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@earl-of-trumps saidSuppose the Jew in question had a title deed to the land on which the Palestinians had their homes [called squatting]. Now if you are fair, then you would admit that that would be a problem. No longer would it be a clear cut case of Palestinians being evicted from their homes. There are other issues involved.
Whoopie Goldberg is an African American actress who converted to Judaism.
Would anyone in here with a conscience propose that Whoopie Goldberg, a Jew, has the right to go to Israel
and throw a Palestinian family out of their house and claim it as hers?
Because that is close to what really happened in Palestine when Hungarians, British, German, Russian,
and othe ...[text shortened]... thnics that converted to Judaism did that in the 20th century to innocent Palestinians in Palestine.
And here is an example of propaganda which is fueling the hatred. it starts off with misinformation. Get all the facts on the table and lets see what the truth is.