Originally posted by XanthosNZHe lied to me then!
Your friend didn't come up with this. Also my girlfriend is breaking this rule.😲
I'm going to have to give that boy a serious talking to about idea plagerism.
I thought it was only with guys though. People in this theard already seemed to think it was ok for a little kid to bang his teacher, as long as the kid is a boy, not a girl, because girls apparently can't think for themselves.
Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnowFor a girl it's physically painful but for the boy it's pleasure? Of course, missing the point entirely, since it's not about the physical experience here, but the possible emotional scars.
People in this theard already seemed to think it was ok for a little kid to bang his teacher, as long as the kid is a boy, not a girl, because girls apparently can't think for themselves.
I think we have some really confused minds in here. What I'd like to call dinosaur mentality. So locked in a cultural mindset that they can't really think beyond it. I suppose they're afraid that if they do, they themselves will be considered pedophiles by people equally judgemental. I still maintain: it's not the age that makes the difference. (In fact, I'm willing to bet on it having read some of the posts in here.) A lot of you "grownups" appear much younger than you claim to be. Where's the rational thinking? Where's the constructive criticism? Where's the discussing on a mature level? No, I'm pretty sure we've got a bunch of imposters here claiming to be much older than they really are, and I'm afraid that if I engage in a "grownup" conversation with them, I might be in trouble with the law later on.
I can easily confess that there has been numerous ocassions where I've turned my head on the street and wanted to give a compliment only to discover (by factors such as her company) that she's somewhere in the vicinity of 14-16 years old. Could have fooled me when she's developed like an 18 year old and dressed for sex. Then there are women aged 25 looking like prepubescent girls. You really can't tell until you communicate with a woman/girl (and the same applies to men/boys of course). When you do, you might still be surprised at the level of maturity in some 14+ year olds, and the lack of same in some 30 year olds.
The point. It's about the specific individuals attracted to each other (or not), rather than their relative age. If they're mature enough to handle it, it will be fine (either sex or no sex depending on how mutual the attraction is and what they both want out of it). And how do learn to understand our own desires and communicate our wishes? By communication people. So stop your silly rampage against age and start thinking about it. Then communicate. I'm sure it will be a frightening experience for you at first (as all things are when you're unaccustomed to it) but in time you'll see that thought before and during conversation is not really such a bad idea. You can avoid a lot of bad things happening that way, and you will understand things much better too.
Not to be condescending or anything you understand. I mean, just because I've only seen evidence of a handful grownups in here doesn't mean you're stuck forever in your backwards way of thinking. Black and white you've learned about. Now it's time to take a step further and learn about a little something called: greytones. Now, to navigate that pallette you must learn to think like an adult. It is very important. Especially if you have the age of a supposed adult. Society can be horrible to you if you're above a certain age, but still confused as to what it means.
I'm not perfect. But at least I try to find solutions that benefit all (or at the very least minimizes the harm). Now I'll step down from my high horse and you can beat me up, or act mature about it. You're choice.
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Another thing which I (at last until one year) noticed is that it is quite difficult to seperate ripe fruits from those still in development.
Happens to my buddies very often, too.
We are all aged between 25 and 27. Go to a disco or bar in Germany and look up for a girl. Find a cutie and first there is the check of the look. "Normal" body development like boobs etc. Then check on style. Normal style beyond Britney Spears or "I do like hiphop don´t you".
Go over and talk to them and they have an open mind and behave and speak in a way you would truly expect a at least 20 years old girl to talk.
Last thing my buddy had he called her next day after drinking, dancing with her all night and driving her home (without sexual intercourse) and then called her to meet again.
Asked her if she has a car where she answered she does not have a driver´s license and is 16. My buddy then hung up.
Really you can´t seperate them. Goes down for really good developed (meaning both body and mind) 14 years old.
So when you meet with them and have a one nighter in the car (never happened to me or buddies so relax) and next day you realize they are under legal age. Who´s to blame ?
Sorry I would like to scr@w with you can I see your ID please ?
The parents for letting their youngster go out that late and dress like that ?
The girl for taking her chances ?
Other thing in my opinion is a constant relationsship where one really should notice.
So I think the whole thing is to be divided into
a) a problem of earlier physical maturement
b) a society problem: Unless you are a loser you go out and have sex that early.
c) a parental problem as they were unable to raize self-confident child who deny the affection of their lives through media, brandmarks and the opinions of others on their own lives.
d) a problem of money making clubs and bars who are to greasy to throw out good paying (where the hell they get the money to go out and pay for entrance fee and drinks anyway ?) customers just as they are too young.
Besides that I honestly fear to get and raize a daughter and honestly hope my firstborn to be male and physically strong and educated in a fighting sport to be able to watch out for my daughter.
But I can fully understand how a grown up man can be attracted by a at least 16 years old girl due to earlier maturement and an open mind.
PS: I am 26 and my girlfriend is 25. I belive that at least without having seen her ID. :-)
Originally posted by stockenYou're diverting the attention. The idea of protecting minors has nothing to do with physical maturity, but mental one. I may understand that a physically mature girl can seem attractive to an adult, but that doesn't mean she is ready mentally for determining consent. The adult may not be a pedophile, but that doesn't mean the action wouldn't be pedophilic.
For a girl it's physically painful but for the boy it's pleasure? Of course, missing the point entirely, since it's not about the physical experience here, but the possible emotional scars.
I think we have some really confused minds in here. What I'd like to call dinosaur mentality. So locked in a cultural mindset that they can't really think beyond it. I ...[text shortened]... d you can beat me up, or act mature about it. You're choice.
Did you read my post (replying to you) where I explained that age is used as a legal proxy for maturity? I'd love to hear your reply and explain how you would compatibilize those greytones with the need for legislation.
Calling backwards to those that disagree with you and bundling them in one group is also forgetting about the "greytones" you were talking about.
Originally posted by CoconutSo, you're not a pedophile at all then.
Okay. I've already addressed the topic, so I will not repeat anything here, what I will say is that it's not my goal to find a young child in my bed. I have no need for emotionless sex with someone who can't understand. The more I talk to girls around 16, the more I realize how mixed up they are (and I was) at that age. Mixed up is unattractive, but not 100% ...[text shortened]... find younger girls to be physically attractive. My best online friend is a 14 year old girl.
Originally posted by sasquatch672But you'd still have a problem with a 30 year old guy staring at your 16 year old daughter.
It's one thing to go to the beach, see a developed, nubile, 16-year-old girl in a bikini and think "Hmm" to yourself. It's quite another to really want to pursue a relationship with a 12-year-old when you yourself are 18 or over.
As for UmbrageofSnow's formula idea, it sounds like total crap, because if you are 17 years old, your minimum is 15 years old, which is illegal. Therefore the formula is flawed.
Originally posted by Freddie2006That it is illegal doesn't mean it's flawed. Maybe it's the law that is flawed. A 17 with a 15 year old is not that shocking. Depends on the 15 year old, I guess.
But you'd still have a problem with a 30 year old guy staring at your 16 year old daughter.
As for UmbrageofSnow's formula idea, it sounds like total crap, because if you are 17 years old, your minimum is 15 years old, which is illegal. Therefore the formula is flawed.