28 Mar 21
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@Metal-Brain
Well then, when YOU get C19 maybe you will die. I guess from your POV there is nothing wrong with THAT is there?
On your gravestone:
Here lies a man with a plan, but you can see how THAT turned out, or under, in this case.
29 Mar 21
@sonhouse saidUnlikely. Maybe you will die from the flu.
@Metal-Brain
Well then, when YOU get C19 maybe you will die. I guess from your POV there is nothing wrong with THAT is there?
On your gravestone:
Here lies a man with a plan, but you can see how THAT turned out, or under, in this case.
29 Mar 21
@no1marauder saidUndercount? That is absurd. US hospitals get paid more to Label the Cause of Death as ‘Coronavirus’.
Total figures for 2020 are not yet available in prior year formats. But you can see on this chart, that deaths in 2020-21 have exceeded weekly expected totals since the week ending March 28, often by more than 20 to 30%. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
The CDC estimates (surely an undercount since it only uses deaths identified as COVID on ...[text shortened]... pandemic (which has continued into 2021). https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
https://subterrnews.blogspot.com/2020/04/doc-hospitals-getting-paid-more-to.html
https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-montana-physician-dr-annie-bukacek-discusses-how-covid-19-death-certificates-manipulated/5709062
It is clearly an overcount. Only a fool would convince himself otherwise. All estimates for the 2020 death count are not much higher than a bad flu year. You are being manipulated by fear based propaganda.
29 Mar 21
@metal-brain saidBS. In fact, if flu deaths in prior years were counted like COVID ones i.e. only if they appeared as a cause of death on the death certificate the worst recent flu season would have caused only a tiny fraction of official COVID deaths in 2020:
Undercount? That is absurd. US hospitals get paid more to Label the Cause of Death as ‘Coronavirus’.
https://subterrnews.blogspot.com/2020/04/doc-hospitals-getting-paid-more-to.html
https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-montana-physician-dr-annie-bukacek-discusses-how-covid-19-death-certificates-manipulated/5709062
It is clearly an overcount. Only a fool would con ...[text shortened]... h count are not much higher than a bad flu year. You are being manipulated by fear based propaganda.
"The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited do not represent counted flu deaths per year; they are estimates that the CDC produces by multiplying the number of flu death counts reported by various coefficients produced through complicated algorithms. These coefficients are based on assumptions of how many cases, hospitalizations, and deaths they believe went unreported. In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts."
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/
There were 360,766 confirmed deaths from COVID in the US in 2020. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us
(see the "Total Coronavirus Deaths in the United States" chart).
29 Mar 21
@no1marauder saidNonsense!
BS. In fact, if flu deaths in prior years were counted like COVID ones i.e. only if they appeared as a cause of death on the death certificate the worst recent flu season would have caused only a tiny fraction of official COVID deaths in 2020:
"The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited do not represent counted flu deaths per year; they are estimates that the CDC pr ...[text shortened]... meters.info/coronavirus/country/us
(see the "Total Coronavirus Deaths in the United States" chart).
Hospitals were not given a financial incentive to classify deaths as covid caused.
How many deaths were there in the US in 2020? If you can state a C19 death number you can state the death number for any cause of death.
29 Mar 21
@metal-brain saidFinal figures haven't been released though they are expected to be soon in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report and will be in the range of 15% higher than 2019. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/10/cdc-finds-covid-19-drove-15-percent-spike-in-death-rate-475219
Nonsense!
Hospitals were not given a financial incentive to classify deaths as covid caused.
How many deaths were there in the US in 2020? If you can state a C19 death number you can state the death number for any cause of death.
This is an earlier, January estimate:
"Early government numbers show that at least 3.2 million people died in the United States in 2020, and that the number of deaths was at least 12% higher than expected."
https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2021/01/08/u-s-2020-deaths-total-will-be-at-least-12-higher-than-expected/
@metal-brain saidActually, your first nutjob article doesn't even make such an absurd claim (I don't waste my time on your videos). It says absolutely nothing about causes of death on death certificates (which are usually prepared by medical examiners, not hospitals). https://www.policygenius.com/estate-planning/death-certificate/#:~:text=The%20death%20certificate%20is%20typically,might%20be%20available%20to%20them.
Undercount? That is absurd. US hospitals get paid more to Label the Cause of Death as ‘Coronavirus’.
https://subterrnews.blogspot.com/2020/04/doc-hospitals-getting-paid-more-to.html
https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-montana-physician-dr-annie-bukacek-discusses-how-covid-19-death-certificates-manipulated/5709062
It is clearly an overcount. Only a fool would con ...[text shortened]... h count are not much higher than a bad flu year. You are being manipulated by fear based propaganda.
EDIT: Here's an article from a Fox station debunking that claim:
"People also claim death numbers are being inflated so hospitals get more money. Potter says that’s not true for two reasons.
The first, Potter says that 20% add-on from the CARES Act is only for services provided, not deaths.
In actual dollar amounts, Potter says the 20% payment averages out to be around $35,000 per patient on a ventilator.
Potter says the second reason it's not true is because of checks and balances.
“If somebody knowingly alters the medical record, which would then create the bill I think is being alleged here... That would be caught through audit. And if that occurred, you could be prosecuted -- there’s huge penalties," Potter said.
“I know that there’s a certain group of people out there who seem to think that we’re taking directions from the CDC, or physicians or certain health departments or something like this to inflate the numbers which is absolutely, completely false," Klaeser said.
"There's no pressure on the physician to say COVID, we’re going to get paid more if you have COVID," Dr. Mead said."
https://fox11online.com/news/fox-11-investigates/fact-check-how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-do-hospitals-get-money-for-covid-19-deaths
@metal-brain saidI made this post on March 12th in another thread:
Undercount? That is absurd. US hospitals get paid more to Label the Cause of Death as ‘Coronavirus’.
https://subterrnews.blogspot.com/2020/04/doc-hospitals-getting-paid-more-to.html
https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-montana-physician-dr-annie-bukacek-discusses-how-covid-19-death-certificates-manipulated/5709062
It is clearly an overcount. Only a fool would con ...[text shortened]... h count are not much higher than a bad flu year. You are being manipulated by fear based propaganda.
"Incidentally, I believe the actual number of COVID deaths has been significantly understated in the US, largely because many early deaths were misdiagnosed as pneumonia. The CDC estimates there were over 190,000 pneumonia deaths without COVID in 2020/21. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
But in a typical year, pneumonia kills only 50,000 or so in the US. https://www.cdc.gov/dotw/pneumonia/index.html
No one has given a logical reason why pneumonia deaths should have tripled from normal levels in the last 15 months. This would also help to explain much of the 13% increase in mortality over 2020 in the US. https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/excess-mortality-across-countries-in-2020/"
EDIT: In the two months of February and March, 2020 alone there were about 38,000 deaths attributed to pneumonia of which less than 10% were listed as involving that disease and COVID. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
For the rest of the year, there are 310,000 more pneumonia deaths with the majority involving both that disease and COVID (about 174,000).
Unless you can come up with some reason while pneumonia deaths would shoot up from the usual 50,000 or so to 171,000 (pneumonia deaths - deaths involving COVID and pneumonia), the most logical explanation for this discrepancy is that many of those deaths, particularly in the early stages of the pandemic, were misdiagnoses of COVID as pneumonia due to preparers of death certificates being unfamiliar with COVID.
29 Mar 21
@no1marauder saidLOL!
Actually, your first nutjob article doesn't even make such an absurd claim (I don't waste my time on your videos). It says absolutely nothing about causes of death on death certificates (which are usually prepared by medical examiners, not hospitals). https://www.policygenius.com/estate-planning/death-certificate/#:~:text=The%20death%20certificate%20is%20typically,might% ...[text shortened]... 1-investigates/fact-check-how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-do-hospitals-get-money-for-covid-19-deaths
What is the other 80%?
29 Mar 21
@no1marauder saidHow many deaths is 15% higher?
Final figures haven't been released though they are expected to be soon in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report and will be in the range of 15% higher than 2019. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/10/cdc-finds-covid-19-drove-15-percent-spike-in-death-rate-475219
This is an earlier, January estimate:
"Early government numbers show that at least 3.2 mill ...[text shortened]... ps://www.thinkadvisor.com/2021/01/08/u-s-2020-deaths-total-will-be-at-least-12-higher-than-expected/
I said not much worse than a bad flu year, not 2019. That was not a bad flu year. I stand by my statement.
@metal-brain said"In 2019, a total of 2,854,838 resident deaths were registered in the United States". https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db395.htm
How many deaths is 15% higher?
I said not much worse than a bad flu year, not 2019. That was not a bad flu year. I stand by my statement.
In case you can't afford a calculator, 15% more would be about 428,226 additional deaths.
The highest "bad flu year" in the last decade was the 2017-18 which had 61,000 estimated, not confirmed, deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_influenza_statistics_by_flu_season
That's about one-sixth of the confirmed COVID deaths in 2020.
You're standing in BS.
@no1marauder said428,226 - 360,766= 67,460
"In 2019, a total of 2,854,838 resident deaths were registered in the United States". https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db395.htm
In case you can't afford a calculator, 15% more would be about 428,226 additional deaths.
The highest "bad flu year" in the last decade was the 2017-18 which had 61,000 estimated, not confirmed, deaths. https://en.wikipedia.or ...[text shortened]... on
That's about one-sixth of the confirmed COVID deaths in 2020.
You're standing in BS.
Now let's calculate how many deaths were caused by the lockdowns. How many suicides increased in 2020 compared to 2019?
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1968-pandemic.html
https://www.sinobiological.com/research/virus/1957-influenza-pandemic-asian-flu
29 Mar 21
@no1marauder said"The first, Potter says that 20% add-on from the CARES Act is only for services provided, not deaths."
Of what?
This.