16 Jun 22
@kevcvs57 saidI believe there is a line somewhere there, I'm not sure where, there is room for discussion but at some point a woman must commit to carrying the birth through to it's natural end, she's had a period of soul searching humming and hahing.
I would think a Caesarian procedure would be less traumatic for the foetus, viable or otherwise, and the woman.
If you have to use horror infused hypothetical’s with no basis in reality to force your wrong headed argument then it says everything anyone needs to know about your lack of rational argument.
I am absolutely adamant that it is the choice of the individual woman ...[text shortened]... up and completely drop the libertarian mask you focus on non existent alternative reality scenarios.
But we're making some progress with you, you're fine with a 5 minute before birth abortion as long as it's humane? that's not quite so horror show? that's more palatable for you and shag doody? a 5 minute before birth abortion as long as certain methods that you determine to be 'less traumatic' a Caesarian at 5 minutes before birth then what?? gas? strangulation? drowning? what are the mechanics of what you find acceptable and 'less traumatic'?
@wajoma saidI get your adamant that I should answer a hypothetical with no basis in reality and no actual concrete facts to base a decision on but unless you point to an actual case where a foetus has been aborted at 5 minutes before birth then the maxim of it being the woman’s choice is too important to breach.
I believe there is a line somewhere there, I'm not sure where, there is room for discussion but at some point a woman must commit to carrying the birth through to it's natural end, she's had a period of soul searching humming and hahing.
But we're making some progress with you, you're fine with a 5 minute before birth abortion as long as it's humane? that's not quite so hor ...[text shortened]... s? strangulation? drowning? what are the mechanics of what you find acceptable and 'less traumatic'?
Hypothetically what if the foetus was in agony and would continue to suffer for the rest of its life would wajoma have a problem with the humane euthanising of the foetus or would he force the mother to suckle the agonised child that would result from letting nature take its course.
I’m not ‘happy’ about any abortion, it’s been my experience that it is emotionally negative for the woman regardless of the longevity of the pregnancy but I would imagine the longer the pregnancy the more negative it would be.
But that pales into insignificance compared to being forced ( and we are talking about force ) to carry a foetus to full term and consequently forced into the lifelong reality of motherhood against her will and best interests.
16 Jun 22
@kevcvs57 saidyour snake technique is not working here, the question was a viable healthy baby, or potential human if you're too squeamish to answer.
I get your adamant that I should answer a hypothetical with no basis in reality and no actual concrete facts to base a decision on but unless you point to an actual case where a foetus has been aborted at 5 minutes before birth then the maxim of it being the woman’s choice is too important to breach.
Hypothetically what if the foetus was in agony and would continue to suffe ...[text shortened]... and consequently forced into the lifelong reality of motherhood against her will and best interests.
For you kev there is no line, we get it, I was wondering how you picture it going down, we have the Ceasarian as being less traumatic but what if the thing is breathing kev, surely you're not proposing it's thrown in the bin when it's breathing, at least confirm that.
16 Jun 22
@wajoma saidYour the only snake here, you do not even have the gonads to come out as the right wing reactionary misogynist that you obviously are ( as per usual ) you claim to be an anti goobermint libertarian 😂😂 until if you cannot resist the urge to defend a right wing reactionary misogynistic goobermint policy of forcing millions of women to carry unwanted foetuses to term. Your fakery and hypocrisy stinks to high heaven as usual.
your snake technique is not working here, the question was a viable healthy baby, or potential human if you're too squeamish to answer.
For you kev there is no line, we get it, I was wondering how you picture it going down, we have the Ceasarian as being less traumatic but what if the thing is breathing kev, surely you're not proposing it's thrown in the bin when it's breathing, at least confirm that.
16 Jun 22
@suzianne saidSuzi, we're not mincing words here, we're mincing fetuses. Besides which, this is not kevs preferred method he's angling towards a cesarean for late term abortions, I'm not sure he wants to legislate that, he's all for womens choice so he's not advocating any kind of law determining the method, that's his preference only.
Such class.
kev is wayyyyyy more classy than I could ever hope to be.
@wajoma saidKev trusts women Wajoma thinks they are the devils handmaidens who dance around fires deep in the woods sacrificing new born babes for fun.
Suzi, we're not mincing words here, we're mincing fetuses. Besides which, this is not kevs preferred method he's angling towards a cesarean for late term abortions, I'm not sure he wants to legislate that, he's all for womens choice so he's not advocating any kind of law determining the method, that's his preference only.
kev is wayyyyyy more classy than I could ever hope to be.
In other words a complete creep.
@suzianne saidBTW suzi, when are you going to tell us where your late term abortion for a healthy viable potential human being line is. Is it 5 minutes before birth like shag doody and kev?
Such class.
I believe women should be able to have abortions for whatever reason they choose, and used to believe like shag and kev that up until birth the fetus was nothing more than a parasitical maggot. But when one get's into the mechanics of it, I've changed my position. There is a period after conception that a woman can go through all the pluses and minuses, risks versus benefits, how much it costs for baby formula, is there any baby formula, what about my career, all those things but there should be a point that a commitment is made to carry out the full term pregnancy. I'm not saying no abortion just no abortion beyond a certain point.
There is room for debate on what that point is.
Analogy: "Abort take off." We've all heard the term, probably on tv, the pilot's on the runway, accelerating for take off, the conditions are wrong, the planes overloaded, there's bird strike, whatever. There's a point after which 'abort take off' is no longer an option, a commitment has been made. It's a serious decision choose wisely and commit.
17 Jun 22
Now, these attacks are coordinated by a central organization who promise more attacks, and the question of the day is:
Will @Merrick-Garland, Attorney General, label these people as domestic terrorists and hotly pursue them?
suuuuuuuuuuuure. 😳
17 Jun 22
@suzianne saidDidn't think we'd get an answer, could'a put money on it.
And here's you and the entire right-wing crowd, thinking women aren't already doing this.
Think you could leave them to it, if you don't mind?
It's a subject I always avoided in the past, better not to look too hard, better use cop out evasion like suzi does.
So you're in the shag doody, kev camp. A fetus is a parasitical maggot until it's lucky enough to escape the womans hole. And the funny thing is kev calls me a creep.
17 Jun 22
@wajoma saidYou ARE a creep trying to legislate a horrible time in the life of a woman. Leave them in peace to do what they need to do without trying to control them. It is their decision, made after much anguish.
Didn't think we'd get an answer, could'a put money on it.
It's a subject I always avoided in the past, better not to look too hard, better use cop out evasion like suzi does.
So you're in the shag doody, kev camp. A fetus is a parasitical maggot until it's lucky enough to escape the womans hole. And the funny thing is kev calls me a creep.
I thought you "libertarians" were about liberty, not control. Obviously not.
18 Jun 22
@earl-of-trumps saidAlready done.
Now, these attacks are coordinated by a central organization who promise more attacks, and the question of the day is:
Will @Merrick-Garland, Attorney General, label these people as domestic terrorists and hotly pursue them?
suuuuuuuuuuuure. 😳
https://wbznewsradio.iheart.com/content/2022-06-17-fbi-to-investigate-pregnancy-center-attacks-as-acts-of-domestic-extremism/
18 Jun 22
@athousandyoung saidClose!, ATY.
Already done.
https://wbznewsradio.iheart.com/content/2022-06-17-fbi-to-investigate-pregnancy-center-attacks-as-acts-of-domestic-extremism/
FBI To Investigate Pregnancy Center Attacks As Acts of Domestic Extremism
They fall short of calling the violent actions of Jane's Revenge domestic terrorism.
18 Jun 22
@earl-of-trumps saidUPDATE ALERT:
Close!, ATY.
FBI To Investigate Pregnancy Center Attacks As Acts of Domestic Extremism
They fall short of calling the violent actions of Jane's Revenge domestic terrorism.
House GOP Sends Letter to AG Garland: Investigate Attacks on Pregnancy Centers as Domestic Terrorism
More than 100 House Republicans have sent a letter to Attorney General Merrick Garland asking that the Department of Justice to investigate the vandalism and violence directed at pro-life pregnancy centers across the United States as domestic terrorism.
Pregnancy centers across the country have come under attack since the leak of a draft opinion by the United States Supreme Court that would undo Roe v. Wade and return abortion law to the states.
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Note: The FBI used the term "Domestic Extremism" - which I knew right off was not the same as terrorism. The GOP agrees.
I stand correct.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/06/17/house-gop-sends-letter-to-ag-garland-investigate-attacks-on-pregnancy-centers-as-domestic-terrorism/