@shavixmir saidThis coming from someone that wants to rename the board "Forum Retardis" when he is himself one of the most prolific posters here, often with content as deep as the one being replied to here. Talk about back-fire.
Uhuh. Retard.
@Wajoma
And you could care less if big corp controls things we are back to the 19th century with 14 hour days, children working in mines, no paid leave, no medical care.
That is what government tries to regulate so that crap won't happen again and if you think big corps are benign now you are naive.
@sonhouse saidYou're the one all for giving billions to the mega drug corporations, the biggest transfer of wealth to mega corporations in the history of the world, for the seizure syrup.
@Wajoma
And you could care less if big corp controls things we are back to the 19th century with 14 hour days, children working in mines, no paid leave, no medical care.
That is what government tries to regulate so that crap won't happen again and if you think big corps are benign now you are naive.
They exist because of the state you love so much. The state doesn't regulate a cap on them, the state (the biggest baddest monopoly of them all) is the one giving them money and making them possible.
@sonhouse saidDemocrats are pretty right wing these days. I am much farther to the left than you and you call me a right winger on a regular basis. To you anybody who says anything bad about a democrat is ultra right wing, even Marxists like me.
This should now be called the ultrarightwingnut fringe forum. Any takers?
You need to think before you do knee jerk name calling and false labeling people. You say I defend Trump, but I am really defending the truth. I am not at fault for knowing truth and making it known. If you would not spread so much misinformation about him I would not need to defend him.
Even after I prove you are spreading misinformation you keep doing it. At that point it is disinformation. You know it is a lie and you spread it anyway. Why do you refuse to accept the truth so often? Is it because you hear the same lie so often you cannot help but believe it?
@metal-brain saidYou are not left wing. You are psychotic and need medication.
Democrats are pretty right wing these days. I am much farther to the left than you and you call me a right winger on a regular basis. To you anybody who says anything bad about a democrat is ultra right wing, even Marxists like me.
You need to think before you do knee jerk name calling and false labeling people. You say I defend Trump, but I am really defending the tru ...[text shortened]... ept the truth so often? Is it because you hear the same lie so often you cannot help but believe it?
@shavixmir saidLOL!
You are not left wing. You are psychotic and need medication.
Did I touch a nerve? Do Klaus Schwab and Harari need medication? Did you hear what Harari said about free will and god?
You have been trying to avoid watching the video of them as if it is a deadly plague, havn't you?
Oh, and congats on the Netherlands removing the cap on coal. That doesn't bother you, does it? You are not a farmer who lost your land to the Dutch government because they were told they were a threat to the environment so I suppose you don't care. How angry are the farmers though? They must be livid.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/netherlands-activates-energy-crisis-plan-removes-cap-coal-plants-2022-06-20/
@shavixmir saidJeezus 🤔
You are not left wing. You are psychotic and need medication.
Something tells me that you overloaded yourself with medication. all to no avail.
@earl-of-trumps saidDrugs dude. Not medication.
Jeezus 🤔
Something tells me that you overloaded yourself with medication. all to no avail.
@metal-brain saidMhmmm… see? Being pro-farmer isn’t very left wing on these issues, in the Netherlands.
LOL!
Did I touch a nerve? Do Klaus Schwab and Harari need medication? Did you hear what Harari said about free will and god?
You have been trying to avoid watching the video of them as if it is a deadly plague, havn't you?
Oh, and congats on the Netherlands removing the cap on coal. That doesn't bother you, does it? You are not a farmer who lost your land to the Dut ...[text shortened]... ers.com/business/energy/netherlands-activates-energy-crisis-plan-removes-cap-coal-plants-2022-06-20/
@shavixmir saidBut burning more coal is?
Mhmmm… see? Being pro-farmer isn’t very left wing on these issues, in the Netherlands.
The GOP refuses to denounce Trump. He is the number one contender for their 2024 presidential candidate. Here's Trump's latest assault on our democracy. Anyone supporting the GOP is a right wing traitor to our country.
Heather Cox Richardson: "Today, one of former president Trump’s messages on the struggling right-wing social media platform Truth Social went viral.
In the message, Trump again insisted that the 2020 presidential election had been characterized by “MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION,” and suggested the country should “throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or…have a NEW ELECTION.”
Then he added: “A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great ‘Founders’ did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!”
In other words, Trump is calling for the overthrow of the Constitution that established this nation. He advocates the establishment of a dictator.
This outrageous statement seems to reflect desperation from the former president as his political star fades and the many legal suits proceeding against him get closer and closer to their end dates.
The midterm elections, in which the high-profile candidates he backed lost, prompted some members of his party to suggest it’s time to move on to new candidates. At the same time, lawsuits are heating up. The Department of Justice continues to investigate Trump’s role in the attempt to overturn the 2020 election, an attempt that led to the events of January 6, 2021.
Chief Judge Beryl Howell of the Washington, D.C., District Court recently rejected Trump’s claims of executive privilege and ordered Trump’s White House counsel, Pat Cipollone, and deputy counsel, Patrick Philbin, to provide additional testimony to a federal grand jury. On Friday, they each testified for several hours. On November 29, Trump advisor Stephen Miller, who worked with Trump on his speech at the Ellipse, also testified before the grand jury,
The Department of Justice is also investigating Trump’s theft of documents when he left the White House. The December 1 decision of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit declaring that Judge Aileen Cannon had no authority to allow Trump a special master to review the materials the FBI took when they searched Mar-a-Lago on August 8, 2022, had a very clear, concise rundown of what the government has so far recovered from the former president, and the list was damning.
In the first group of documents Trump returned to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), after significant pressure to do so, included “184 documents marked at varying levels of classification, including twenty-five marked top secret.” After a subpoena, Trump’s lawyers returned another 38 classified documents, seventeen of which were marked top secret. Trump’s team declared that a “diligent search” had turned up only these items, and there were no more left.
But the FBI learned that there were, in fact, more documents still at Mar-a-Lago and obtained a search warrant. On August 8, FBI agents retrieved about “13,000 documents and a number of other items, totaling more than 22,000 pages of material…. [F]ifteen of the thirty-three seized boxes, containers, or groups of papers contained documents with classification markings, including three such documents found in desks” in Trump’s office. Agents found more than 100 documents marked confidential, secret, or top secret.
Attorney General Merrick Garland appointed Special Counsel Jack Smith to oversee these two investigations after Trump announced an early candidacy for president in 2024. Smith got down to work immediately, sending out a letter on Thanksgiving Day itself. It seems likely there is good reason for Trump to be concerned.
Meanwhile, Georgia’s Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is investigating Trump’s attempt to overturn the results of President Joe Biden’s 2020 election victory, and South Carolina’s Supreme Court has ordered Trump’s White House Chief of staff Mark Meadows to testify to that grand jury, another reason for the former president to be concerned.
And the Trump Organization’s trial for tax evasion is reaching a verdict, while the House Ways and Means Committee has finally received six years of Trump’s tax returns after years of attempts by the former president to keep them out of Congress’s hands. At Lawfare, Daniel J. Hemel says that as a matter of law, the committee can make the returns public. He counsels against it for a number of reasons (although he says they should be made public) but notes that the Senate Finance Committee, which will remain in Democratic hands, can now get access to the material easily and will be able to release it. If his attempt to hide his taxes was anything other than principled, there is reason for Trump to be concerned about this as well.
So, the former president has reason to try to grab headlines with an outrageous statement about overthrowing the Constitution.
But the real story here is not Trump’s panic about his fading relevance and his legal exposure; it’s that Trump remains the presumptive presidential nominee for the Republican Party in 2024. The leader of the Republican Party has just called for the overthrow of our fundamental law and the installation of a dictator.
White House Deputy Press Secretary Andrew Bates said in a statement: “The American Constitution is a sacrosanct document that for over 200 years has guaranteed that freedom and the rule of law prevail in our great country. The Constitution brings the American people together—regardless of party—and elected leaders swear to uphold it. It’s the ultimate monument to all of the Americans who have given their lives to defeat self-serving despots that abused their power and trampled on fundamental rights. Attacking the Constitution and all it stands for is anathema to the soul of our nation, and should be universally condemned. You cannot only love America when you win.”
But Republicans, so far, are silent on Trump’s profound attack on the Constitution, the basis of our democratic government.
That is the story, and it is earth shattering.
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Trump is calling for subversion of the Constitution & either declaring him 2020 presidential winner or holding a “new election,” saying there should be “termination of all rules, regulations, & articles, even those found in the Constitution” to undo Biden’s right to presidency.
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https://docs-cdn-prod.news-engineering.aws.wapo.pub/publish_document/5c87d9b8-631f-41c7-92e8-129f412d0e0f/published/5c87d9b8-631f-41c7-92e8-129f412d0e0f.pdf
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/01/politics/cipollone-philbin-trump-lawyers-testify/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/29/politics/stephen-miller-testifies-january-6-federal-grand-jury-trump
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/02/politics/pat-cipollone-district-courthouse/index.html
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-organizations-criminal-tax-fraud-trial-heads-closing-arguments-2022-12-01/
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/29/mark-meadows-ordered-to-testify-in-trump-investigation-00071232
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/30/politics/house-ways-and-means-committee-now-has-donald-trumps-federal-tax-returns/index.html
https://www.axios.com/2022/12/03/trump-election-fraud-constitution
https://www.lawfareblog.com/house-democrats-can-release-trumps-tax-returns-should-they
@phranny saidThe thread is about rightwingnut and the leftwingnut shows up.
The GOP refuses to denounce Trump. He is the number one contender for their 2024 presidential candidate. Here's Trump's latest assault on our democracy. Anyone supporting the GOP is a right wing traitor to our country.
Heather Cox Richardson: "Today, one of former president Trump’s messages on the struggling right-wing social media platform Truth Social went viral.
In th ...[text shortened]... nstitution
https://www.lawfareblog.com/house-democrats-can-release-trumps-tax-returns-should-they
@phranny saidthis could be a cool thread, but for tomes like this, and no real responses to the issue. What does son house mean with his OP?
The GOP refuses to denounce Trump. He is the number one contender for their 2024 presidential candidate. Here's Trump's latest assault on our democracy. Anyone supporting the GOP is a right wing traitor to our country.
Heather Cox Richardson: "Today, one of former president Trump’s messages on the struggling right-wing social media platform Truth Social went viral.
In th ...[text shortened]... nstitution
https://www.lawfareblog.com/house-democrats-can-release-trumps-tax-returns-should-they
And then we have listen to the mendacity of Shav, who once said that government should provide free housing, and is now just a confused mess.
Give us some more Marx, Sonhouse. Regain control of the issue......or read Phranny links while I read Red Notice.
@averagejoe1 saidMy post was a real response to the issue. If you support the current GOP and Trump, you are a right wing nut case supporting the overthrow of our constitutional law and democracy in the U.S. Unfortunately, you and your kind do not care to read nor do you like facts.
this could be a cool thread, but for tomes like this, and no real responses to the issue. What does son house mean with his OP?
And then we have listen to the mendacity of Shav, who once said that government should provide free housing, and is now just a confused mess.
Give us some more Marx, Sonhouse. Regain control of the issue......or read Phranny links while I read Red Notice.