05 Feb 13
Originally posted by EladarWell - except that you might want to join that organisation, but find that it had arbitrarily prohibited membership on the basis of a characteristic that had nothing to do with the activities it undertook. And in that case you might feel that you wanted to lobby the organisation to change its rules. And beyond that, you might also feel that its arbitrary prohibition was fundamentally unjust and ought to be open to legal challenge.
I don't think any of us have the right to complain about an organization's positions. It is their private right to make up their own private rules. If you don't like the rules put in place, then don't join the organization. It is simple as that, but in today's entitled society that isn't good enough. We must have everyone playing by our rules and as long as we have the judges in place, we can force others to play by our rules.
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05 Feb 13
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Originally posted by Eladar"I don't think any of us have the right to complain about an organization's positions."
The squeaky leftist wheel gets the grease.
I don't think any of us have the right to complain about an organization's positions. It is their private right to make up their own private rules. If you don't like the rules put in place, then don't join the organization. It is simple as that, but in today's entitled society that isn't good enough. We must h out such things. People like you simply want to cram your beliefs down other's throats.
In the US, it's called the First Amendment to the Constitution.
By the way, your post sounds like a complaint about some people. Are you sure you have the right to post a complaint about a group of people who share a common belief? If you don't like them, don't join them. Are you trying to get everyone playing by your rules about complaining? Are you upset because the judges aren't in place to force others to play by your rules about complaining and instead they are forcing you to accept other people's first amendment rights about complaining?
05 Feb 13
Originally posted by joe beyserI have no problem with making the issue hard for them. That's how change is made - by making things hard.
You have to admit though the issue is a hard one for them. On one hand they will be discriminating on the other they will have to worry about image. The organization probably is more worried about withdrawn support from the parents than the govt.
I also don't think most parents will withdraw support - some will, but many or most won't.
I think if/when the BSA makes this change then the withdrawn support will be replaced by increased support from those who are pressuring them to make this change in the first place and as things start turning out to not be so bad then some parents who withdrew will start supporting them again.
05 Feb 13
Originally posted by EladarWe don't have a right to complain??
The squeaky leftist wheel gets the grease.
I don't think any of us have the right to complain about an organization's positions. It is their private right to make up their own private rules. If you don't like the rules put in place, then don't join the organization. It is simple as that, but in today's entitled society that isn't good enough. We must h ...[text shortened]... out such things. People like you simply want to cram your beliefs down other's throats.
Complaining is an infringement on their freedoms??
Do you think before you post?
05 Feb 13
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperYou have the right to complain. Everyone has the right. The problem here is that you don't understand freedom and privacy if you think you have the right to complain about what a private group's policies.
We don't have a right to complain??
Complaining is an infringement on their freedoms??
Do you think before you post?
05 Feb 13
Originally posted by EladarWould you support the Boy Scouts if they sought to exclude Jews or Chinese Americans from their membership?
I don't think any of us have the right to complain about an organization's positions. It is their private right to make up their own private rules..
05 Feb 13
Originally posted by EladarYou're contradicting yourself.
You have the right to complain. Everyone has the right. The problem here is that you don't understand freedom and privacy if you think you have the right to complain about what a private group's policies.
I have a right to complain but I don't understand freedom if I THINK I have a right to complain.
05 Feb 13
Originally posted by EladarYou haven't thought this through, have you?
You have the right to complain. Everyone has the right. The problem here is that you don't understand freedom and privacy if you think you have the right to complain about what a private group's policies.
05 Feb 13
Just to add to the conversation, and this isn't addressed to any particular post.
The exclusion of gays by the BSA has real world repercussions. Being an Eagle Scout is a bullet on your résumé for employment and college applications. The US Army will enlist you at an advanced rank if you were an Eagle Scout.
05 Feb 13
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Originally posted by TeinosukeHey my man, just so we're clear, I have no problem with the way you live your life (I hope you wouldn't care anyway). I don't have a problem with gays - I'm down with you. It's just that Moonbat is a caricature of the angry liberal - I didn't think he really existed. It's like seeing Sasquatch (ha!). So I gaze upon his screwed-upness with a mixture of horror, fascination, pity, and laughter.
As, it seems, the only out gay poster on these boards, I can tell you that I have several straight friends who have done their bit in favour of gay rights - signing petitions, joining pro-gay rights organisations, etc.
Why? Because I'm their friend, so, although they are not gay, they do, in fact, have an emotional investment in the issue on the basis o our siblings, our cousins and our friends, you're probably coming quite close to a majority.
05 Feb 13
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperYah, poorly worded. I meant that is is right for you to complain. You have the right, but it is not right. Privacy means nothing to you.
You're contradicting yourself.
I have a right to complain but I don't understand freedom if I THINK I have a right to complain.
05 Feb 13
Originally posted by TeinosukeWhy join that one? Why not create your own? Why the need to make everything into your image? Why not allow others to be as they are?
Well - except that you might want to join that organisation, but find that it had arbitrarily prohibited membership on the basis of a characteristic that had nothing to do with the activities it undertook. And in that case you might feel that you wanted to lobby the organisation to change its rules. And beyond that, you might also feel that its arbitrary prohibition was fundamentally unjust and ought to be open to legal challenge.
05 Feb 13
Originally posted by mwmillerWhy would a male homosexual want to join the girl scouts?
Have homosexuals tried to join the girl scouts yet? Why would they prefer to join the boy scouts? It shouldn't make any difference, right?
Just curious......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Scouts_of_the_USA#No_official_stand_on_sexuality_and_gender_issues
Their official policy is a "don't ask, don't evangelize" policy.
The girl scouts in Colorado even in one case allowed a transgendered girl saying "If a child identifies as a girl and the child's family presents her as a girl, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her as a Girl Scout,"
The girl scouts is also more inclusive than the boy scouts in that they don't discriminate against atheists where the boy scouts do.