24 Dec 04
Originally posted by YIAMSOMEBODYWould you care about parking fines if it only cost you a cent to break parking fine laws?
Doesn't matter what good you think it might not do or not. It's the point.
If the game says, "the person fouled is required to shoot two free shots", then said player will shoot those two free shots.
When you try to justify making rich people pay more in fines than someone who makes an average yearly salary, it's nothing more than blatant discrimination. Why aren't you seeing about that?
The Great One has spoken.
24 Dec 04
Originally posted by mateuloseUh....YES! No matter if it's a penny, dime..whatever. I don't want that garbage on my record. I try to do everything I can to avoid parking tickets and speeding tickets. It's not that serious to me.
Would you care about parking fines if it only cost you a cent to break parking fine laws?
The Great One has spoken.
24 Dec 04
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Originally posted by DreamlaXIt depends. If the fine is for something minor that can easily be measured in £ (eg someone fills in a form wrong and is charged an administration fee) then it should be the same fair price for everyone. If the fine is for a criminal offence, then the idea is to punish the offender for being a danger to other people, not simply to extract a certain amount of money from them. In this case I do think an income-based fine is a good idea in principle.
Some rich bugger who earns a heap of money is not going to miss the $150 fine for not wearing a seat-belt the same way a poor person would. Fines should be based on how much you earn. It should be a fixed fraction of your income. Of course ...[text shortened]... be paid back, and everyone will learn their lesson.
Good idea?
A couple of difficulties:
What about people whose effective income is much larger than their declared income (eg a burglar, or a university student with reasonably well-off parents)?
What about people who don't pay tax? It's notoriously difficult to get people to actually pay fines under the current system, and this is why they're often an ineffective deterrent even to the poor.
24 Dec 04
Originally posted by shavixmirYou are insane if you insist on doing whatever you please and, at the same time, are completely unwilling to accept the consiquences of your actions. You condisend to me as if you're a genius yet you insist on repeatedly hitting yourself with a hammer.
I, for one, don't want to be fined at all.
I don't need my behaviour corrected, thank you very much.
"Oh Mark...you're driving without a seatbelt, here's a fine."
IT'S MY BLOODY LIFE! LEAVE ME ALONE.
"Oh Mark...you parked in a wrong area. Here's a fine."
AREN'T YOU THE COUNCIL THAT'S ALLOWING THE DUMPING OF TOXIC WASTE IN THE RIV ...[text shortened]... in hell. Seriously I do. And I don't even believe in Hell...
go figure....
blah blah blah
24 Dec 04
I'm curious. Regardless if you think anything should be done about it, does anyone disagree that fantastically rich people suffer less from fines than do poor people? And if this is the case, then isn't it a problem that rich people can afford to break more laws than poor people? It might not be a problem anyone can reasonably solve, but I can't see how people don't get this point.
24 Dec 04
Originally posted by KellyJayIt depends on what kind of pain you infilict on another of course.
You are suggesting that all pain we inflict on another for breaking the
law should be leveled according to the amount of money they have?
Are you also suggesting we charge for a gallon of milk the same way,
that a poor person gets it for nearly free and a rich person has to pay
maybe hundreds of dollars for it?
Kelly
But I think the crimes that are punnished by fines shoud be based on a percentage of the income of the crimminal.
I don't think this shoud be applied to normal shopping charges, that would mean the rich would not be rich anymore and thats a little to extreme for me 🙂
24 Dec 04
Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboardOK, this is the point I've been trying to make. If poor people are punished based on their income, there is no detriment to crime. Most on this thread have focused on "bad rich people" and working out some class envy by making them pay, really pay. Both rich and poor started with the same rules, that is, don't break the rules.
It depends on what kind of pain you infilict on another of course.
But I think the crimes that are punnished by fines shoud be based on a percentage of the income of the crimminal.
I don't think this shoud be applied to normal shopping charges, that would mean the rich would not be rich anymore and thats a little to extreme for me 🙂
25 Dec 04
Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboardWhy not inflict pain another way? Use a belt, a switch; take a finger I'm
It depends on what kind of pain you infilict on another of course.
But I think the crimes that are punnished by fines shoud be based on a percentage of the income of the crimminal.
I don't think this shoud be applied to normal shopping charges, that would mean the rich would not be rich anymore and thats a little to extreme for me 🙂
quite sure rich and poor alike would notice the pain the same way if
all we care about is equal amounts of pain. As stupid as that is, it
seems to be the only thing that makes the idea all pain should be
equal, equal. Money does not seem to do it, so apply pressure in a
way that does get attention. Of course cruel and unusual punishment
seems to get in the way, but what is more important, equal pain or
cruel and unusual punishment?
Personally, I think we should keep the fines the way they are. We
increase them if more and more crimes are committed.
Kelly
25 Dec 04
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Originally posted by TexasCowboyI don't want your rules dude. I don't want their's either.
You are insane if you insist on doing whatever you please and, at the same time, are completely unwilling to accept the consiquences of your actions. You condisend to me as if you're a genius yet you insist on repeatedly hitting yourself with a hammer.
From January the 1st everybody in Holland has to have a form of ID on them. If you don't you're gonna get fined 50 euros. What's that nowadays? 100 dollars or something?
Anyway....CONDOLA that. I'd rather share a cell with Big Bad Bill the child molester than cough up money for any such stupid condola law.
You see. I pay my taxes, I pay my health insurance, hell...I participate in their crazy, stressed out rat race they call life. I really don't feel the urge or have the motivation to become even more entangled in their pathetic attempts to control everything I do.
CONDOLA THEM! I HOPE THEY ALL ROT IN HELL.
SERIOUSLY...
What good is it to mankind for me to carry around a condola ID card?
LEAVE ME ALONE YOU POWER HUNGRY CONTROL FREAKS.
If I want to smoke dope, I will. I'm not out robbin' cars, I'm not out raping little kids, I'm not out sabotaging society (yet).
GO AND CATCH THE CONDOLA ARSEWIPE WHO KEEPS STEALIN' MY CARE RADIO.
And no...people carting around ID cards isn't gonna stop that.
I HOPE YOU ALL BURN IN A NUCLEAR CONDOLA WAR! I want to see your flesh ripped off by atomic blasts and I want to see your crummy little bodies spasticating on the ground as you realise there is no God, there is no justice and life was all you ever were gonna have. I want to see the pain in your condola eyes as your body gives its final twitch and I want to say to you as you breathe your last breath: "AT LEAST YOU WORE A CONDOLA SEATBELT....TWAT."
Oh. Merry xmas to you too.