Smart ways to raise your kids

Originally posted by sasquatch672
Are you implying, in your own sissy, passive-aggressive way, that I'm a "not-so-decent human being"?

I should tell you how I spent my morning.

You're right about one thing. You are a troll.

I wouldn't mind to get to know you better.

I got up at five, left for school, and got here after two of my morning classes already finished.

Apparently, snow isn't good for keeping tight schedules. 🙁

Originally posted by Ringtailhunter
I guess that I dont get alot of this "new" stuff. I dont understand what you mean by "taken to the extreme", Can you elaborate?

I just mean taking either philosophy of "everything should be fair" or "fight for everything" to an extreme level of tutition. As in that one of them is the only option that is taught.
Lets face it if they are only taught how to do something one way then chances are that is what they will end up doing. If they are taught two ways then they have double the choice & could choose either way. If they are taught many different ways then they can pick that which most appriorate for each situation.

Originally posted by mokko
Little harsh? Mabye...but I have very well behaved children and not whining screaming monsters so I'll just stick with the harsh methods.

There's no point in catering and spoiling kids wich will only turn them into unbearable adults that nobody wants to be around either. As long as you give them lots of hugs and kisses and encouragement do you think kids ...[text shortened]... n.

Thank God for the little bit you have today because tomorrow you may have nothing at all.

Having well behaved children isn't always a good measure of what kind of people they will grow up to be. The whining, screaming monsters you mention need a little more disipline but punishing one child and rewarding the other just because they complain about things not being fair is cruel and teaches them not to argue at all for fear things will be made worse, or for one to subtly antagonize the other in hopes of getting all the cake or whatever.

Being fair with your children is in no way spoiling them. I do not support giving kids everything they want or giving in to them much, but I am just as opposed to any parent setting themselves up as the absolute, unqestionable authority. Kids ought to learn to question authority and think for themselves. Instead of "because I said so and I am the parent" what does it hurt to explain things logically unless you are just being capricous.

Better to teach a kid to strive for the top than to have them aim for mediocrity and arbitrary boundaries. You should limit the cake or soda or whatever of course, but do it for health reasons, not to show them that they shouldn't try to get what they want.

And I thank my own abilities, my parents, and genetics for anything i have, because God sure as heck didn't have anything to do with it.

Originally posted by sasquatch672
Yes. That's what I'm saying. You should not tell a parent how to raise their kids if you yourself don't have kids. Come to think of it, unless a person is physically, mentally, or emotionally abusive to their kid, or is raising them in some apocalyptic born-again Christian church, or Scientology or something, you probably need to refrain from comm ...[text shortened]... of our discussion, I am in charge of the universe, at least as it relates to you.

(hehehehe)

So, unless you approve, people should keep their opinions on parenting to themselves? Why are you the one who gets to draw the line?

Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnow
Having well behaved children isn't always a good measure of what kind of people they will grow up to be. The whining, screaming monsters you mention need a little more disipline but punishing one child and rewarding the other just because they complain about things not being fair is cruel and teaches them not to argue at all for fear things will be m ...[text shortened]... and genetics for anything i have, because God sure as heck didn't have anything to do with it.

I totaly disagree with you. all throughout my life the Kids I seen that respected authority did well in life. In construction I would much rather hire somone who respects me to the utermost, like mokko's, then to hire somone who dont respect me, and questions what I do. you should not teach a child to question authority. Ever wonder why a teenager thinks hes smarter then the parent? A well behaved child shows that he respect authority,while the unbehaved thinks he can get away from stuff, and it will continue thoughout their lifetime.

Originally posted by flyUnity
I totaly disagree with you. all throughout my life the Kids I seen that respected authority did well in life. In construction I would much rather hire somone who respects me to the utermost, like mokko's, then to hire somone who dont respect me, and questions what I do. you should not teach a child to question authority. Ever wonder why a teenager thinks h ...[text shortened]... the unbehaved thinks he can get away from stuff, and it will continue thoughout their lifetime.

Although I agree to a degree, the ability to question authority is an important part of any child's education.

If the child is brought up properly, he will learn to use his/her intelligence to work out if what he/she is being told by 'authority' is right or wrong. To teach children to accept the authority of adults without question is irresponsible to the extreme.

It only works if all the 'authority' figures have the right moral beliefs, but I think we all understand that is not the reality of life.

We need to teach the next generation to make educated decisions based on facts, not doctrine. That way can lead to all sorts of ugly situations, as I'm sure you'll agree...

Originally posted by flyUnity
I totaly disagree with you. all throughout my life the Kids I seen that respected authority did well in life. In construction I would much rather hire somone who respects me to the utermost, like mokko's, then to hire somone who dont respect me, and questions what I do. you should not teach a child to question authority. Ever wonder why a teenager thinks h ...[text shortened]... the unbehaved thinks he can get away from stuff, and it will continue thoughout their lifetime.

Respecting your superiors is generally a good thing, but I am of the opinion that superiors ought to earn the respect of those under them.

No offense to any contruction workers out there, but I would rather have kids grow up to be the people who hire the contruction company to build something than to be the construction workers.

Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnow
Respecting your superiors is generally a good thing, but I am of the opinion that superiors ought to earn the respect of those under them.

No offense to any contruction workers out there, but I would rather have kids grow up to be the people who hire the contruction company to build something than to be the construction workers.

First you gotta work yourself up the ladder. gotta get hired, serve your time, and if you respect those above you, then you will get promoted. Thats how I did it.

I dont know about in other trades, but in construction there is somone always above you. If you question the building inspector, he is gonna make your life so much tougher. Thats just a fact of life, so teach your kids that.

Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnow
Respecting your superiors is generally a good thing, but I am of the opinion that superiors ought to earn the respect of those under them.

No offense to any contruction workers out there, but I would rather have kids grow up to be the people who hire the contruction company to build something than to be the construction workers.

it's a pyramid .... and it's not inverted ...

Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnow
Having well behaved children isn't always a good measure of what kind of people they will grow up to be. The whining, screaming monsters you mention need a little more disipline but punishing one child and rewarding the other just because they complain about things not being fair is cruel and teaches them not to argue at all for fear things will be m ...[text shortened]... and genetics for anything i have, because God sure as heck didn't have anything to do with it.

Actually it wasn't cruel at all. For one it was a message to be thankfull for what you have and not be so concerned for what you don't have or what others got. Also it went even further to reinforce every other thing I have taught my kids, one of wich is to never be greedy and to always give freely from your heart what you have. In my situation and with what I did I was proud to have listened in from behind the corner as my oldest gladly gave the youngest a fair share of her piece. It does boil down to parenting style and and a mixture of what other values you instil in your kids. And it's nice to learn along the way that some of those more inportant values are being taught and learned. What it means to be a family is one of them. I like to think that long into the future when I'm dead and gone I will have taught my girls to be there and care for each other. It was about alot more than who got more of what at the end of the day. It was a lesson in sisterhood.