Spanish Minister Calls for Diplomatic Relations with Israel to be Severed

@sh76 said
Israel isn't carpet bombing anything. It's engaging in classic military strategic bombing of military targets.

That Hamas makes sure to intentionally put its military targets in the middle of civillian centers is Hamas' fault.

That is not true. Israel will even bomb their own people.

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/27/israels-military-shelled-burning-tanks-helicopters/

"Hamas makes sure to intentionally put its military targets in the middle of civilian centers is Hamas' fault"

You have no evidence of that. You are just repeating propaganda. Have you heard of the "White Paper" ?

https://thegrayzone.com/2023/10/24/zionist-think-tank-palestinian-genocide/

@sh76 said
Look around the world. Thousands of violent anti-Jewish incidents are happening daily. In Russia, a lynch mob stormed an airport because they heard a Jewish flight was landing and the plane had to be diverted.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/flight-from-israel-to-russias-dagestan-diverts-as-pro-palestinian-mob-storms-terminal/

There probably isn't an obvious J ...[text shortened]... al life violence.

Julius Streicher also probably never fired a gun or personally beat anyone up.

You even ignore violent incidents that are not against Jews.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/15/us/chicago-landlord-attack-muslim-boy-mother/index.html/

You don't think of Palestinians as real people, do you? You think of them as animals.
When they die it means nothing to you. Right?

@eintaluj said
"Look around the world. Thousands of violent anti-Jewish incidents are happening daily. In Russia, a lynch mob stormed an airport because they heard a Jewish flight was landing and the plane had to be diverted."

I already told you that I do not discuss the Jews.
I am criticizing Israel's present genocide in the Gaza Strip.

That may be your intent, but it doesn't work that way. When you slam Israel is a vicious way ("genocide" is a hysterical exaggeration), you implicitly promote Jew-hate, even if you don't mean to.

Here, read this, from an extremely liberal Constitutional Law professor:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/opinion-nothing-has-prepared-me-for-the-antisemitism-i-see-on-college-campuses-now/ar-AA1j2Zyj

and this

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/29/mob-storms-dagestan-airport-in-search-of-jewish-passengers-from-israel

or this

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-antisemitism-israel-hamas-war-20231028-xsyjgts46fdmva4ifwvpjbcbdq-story.html

or this

https://abc7ny.com/cornell-university-jewish-threats-student/13990060/




If I repeatedly and viciously blast the "wild theives, drug dealers and rapists in the inner cities who are destroying our culture" I don't get to backtrack and say "well, I didn't mean black people - I just meant the criminals."

Jewish Lives Matter

@sh76 said
That may be your intent, but it doesn't work that way. When you slam Israel is a vicious way ("genocide" is a hysterical exaggeration), you implicitly promote Jew-hate, even if you don't mean to.

Here, read this, from an extremely liberal Constitutional Law professor:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/opinion-nothing-has-prepared-me-for-the-antisemitism-i-see-on-colle ...[text shortened]... ack and say "well, I didn't mean black people - I just meant the criminals."

Jewish Lives Matter

From the Chemerinsky opinion piece:

"Of course, criticism of the Israeli government is not antisemitism, any more than criticizing the policies of the United States government is anti-American. I strongly oppose the policies of the Netanyahu government, favor full rights for Palestinians, and believe that there must be a two-state solution. "

However, he also says:

"but I do know that calling for the total elimination of Israel is antisemitic."

Why exactly? Why is calling for the end of a Zionist State to be replaced with a single State in the area with equal rights for all inhabitants "antisemitic"? Such might be unrealistic but that is not the same thing.

@no1marauder said
From the Chemerinsky opinion piece:

"Of course, criticism of the Israeli government is not antisemitism, any more than criticizing the policies of the United States government is anti-American. I strongly oppose the policies of the Netanyahu government, favor full rights for Palestinians, and believe that there must be a two-state solution. "

However, he also says: ...[text shortened]... rights for all inhabitants "antisemitic"? Such might be unrealistic but that is not the same thing.

Two reasons:

1. "From the River to the Sea" doesn't mean "single State in the area with equal rights for all inhabitants." It means driving the Jews out.

2. The Jews in the area have the right to autonomy and not to be governed by a Muslim majority who will likely have no regard for minority rights.

@rajk999 said
Hamas has the villain advantage [ie they follow no rules of war], and fools who allow the villain to have that advantage can never win. Israel is right. The same rules they use against you are the same that are used against them. Actually Israel is not hiding their weapons and artillery behind civilians like the Hamas pussies.

Well it doesn’t have to does it it has the iron dome and one if the biggest militaries in the region.
The idea that a powerful state can use the same tactics as a “terrorist” group when it comes to civilians and not end up in The Hague is an open declaration of war on every civilian on the planet, you might as well pack up The Hague along with the concept of a war crime.
Israel is targeting a civilian area and hoping to take out some Hamas operatives while its at it rather than striking Hamas and accepting some inevitable collateral damage.
This is so obviously communal punishment with a sly nod and a wink to its western backers, mainly the USA and the usual coattail hangers

@sh76 said
That may be your intent, but it doesn't work that way. When you slam Israel is a vicious way ("genocide" is a hysterical exaggeration), you implicitly promote Jew-hate, even if you don't mean to.

Here, read this, from an extremely liberal Constitutional Law professor:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/opinion-nothing-has-prepared-me-for-the-antisemitism-i-see-on-colle ...[text shortened]... ack and say "well, I didn't mean black people - I just meant the criminals."

Jewish Lives Matter

Well in the interests of fair play the Israeli state is constantly calling oct 7th when 1400 Israelis were horribly slaughtered an act of genocide.
But it’s hysterical to call the murder by bombardment of thousands of Palestinians the same.
What’s wrong with your compass

@sh76 said
Two reasons:

1. "From the River to the Sea" doesn't mean "single State in the area with equal rights for all inhabitants." It means driving the Jews out.

2. The Jews in the area have the right to autonomy and not to be governed by a Muslim majority who will likely have no regard for minority rights.

Says who?

There are plenty of organizations that support a one State solution based on the principles I just stated. To assume that pro-Palestinian groups are primarily supportive of the genocide of Jews is ridiculous paranoia.

@kevcvs57 said
Well it doesn’t have to does it it has the iron dome and one if the biggest militaries in the region.
The idea that a powerful state can use the same tactics as a “terrorist” group when it comes to civilians and not end up in The Hague is an open declaration of war on every civilian on the planet, you might as well pack up The Hague along with the concept of a war crime.
I ...[text shortened]... ment with a sly nod and a wink to its western backers, mainly the USA and the usual coattail hangers

Correct .. now you talking. Pack up The Hague. Hamas has carried out hundreds terrorist activities for the last 15 yrs or so, killing thousands of Jewish civilians and the response from govts and these organisations is "We condemn Hamas in the strongest language. Hamas is a terrorist organisation Blah Blah blah ... " Yeah .. stick that nonsense up your butt ... Who the F..k does that help?

In case people cannot see it now, the Jews dont care. They are going after Hamas, who has to die are going to die. Who is angry, then let them do whatever they want. They will deal with the consequences later.

If you want to understand what is really going on. Try this. Stop listening to these popular media outlets. You can via the internet, listen in to local radio stations in Gaza and Israel, and in Lebanon etc. Sometimes these people know more than outsiders.

@sh76 said
That may be your intent, but it doesn't work that way. When you slam Israel is a vicious way ("genocide" is a hysterical exaggeration), you implicitly promote Jew-hate, even if you don't mean to.

Here, read this, from an extremely liberal Constitutional Law professor:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/opinion-nothing-has-prepared-me-for-the-antisemitism-i-see-on-colle ...[text shortened]... ack and say "well, I didn't mean black people - I just meant the criminals."

Jewish Lives Matter

Criticism of Israel is not racist. Get off your high horse with that garbage.

Most of the criticism of Israels war policies run along the lines of "they should be doing more to prevent civilian casualties." It ain't exactly clear what's going on daily, but Israel (not Jews) is undoubtedly creating a humanitarian crisis, and they have neither the capacity or interest in cleaning it up. We're funding it. Probably the USA, not Israel, is going to have to pay for the clean up.

I understand the argument that Israel may not have any other good options for revenge but killing civilians, but we shouldn't say they're policies are immune to criticism lest it seem racist. That's silly.

@no1marauder said
Says who?

There are plenty of organizations that support a one State solution based on the principles I just stated. To assume that pro-Palestinian groups are primarily supportive of the genocide of Jews is ridiculous paranoia.

The kids say Death to Jews, Death to Americans .. every morning in schools. The Maths books have Five Palestinians heroes kill 15 Jews. How many kills are there per person. If 3 martyrs get 36 virgins each how many virgins would that make

@rajk999 said
The kids say Death to Jews, Death to Americans .. every morning in schools. The Maths books have Five Palestinians heroes kill 15 Jews. How many kills are there per person. If 3 martyrs get 36 virgins each how many virgins would that make

Don't you ever get tired of repeating Zionist propaganda? Your insistence that Palestinians overwhelmingly support Jewish genocide is pure and simple BS.

I was mostly referring to pro-Palestinian groups on US campuses which is what the Cherminsky opinion piece is talking about anyway.

@rajk999 said
Correct .. now you talking. Pack up The Hague. Hamas has carried out hundreds terrorist activities for the last 15 yrs or so, killing thousands of Jewish civilians and the response from govts and these organisations is "We condemn Hamas in the strongest language. Hamas is a terrorist organisation Blah Blah blah ... " Yeah .. stick that nonsense up your butt ...[text shortened]... io stations in Gaza and Israel, and in Lebanon etc. Sometimes these people know more than outsiders.

Terrorists, if they are caught alive are sent to prison or sentenced to death depending on the jurisdiction, The Hague is there to reach within state borders and serve justice to those who commit war crimes as state actors.
Anyway wouldn’t Hamas operatives and commanders be eligible for The Hague given the crimes they committed on oct 7th

@no1marauder said
Don't you ever get tired of repeating Zionist propaganda? Your insistence that Palestinians overwhelmingly support Jewish genocide is pure and simple BS.

I was mostly referring to pro-Palestinian groups on US campuses which is what the Cherminsky opinion piece is talking about anyway.

Well I have been following this story for more than 50 years now. Not once have I heard Palestinians from either Gaza, or West Bank or living out of that region say that they want to live in peace among the Jews. Its always
- We want a one state Palestine
- All Jews should go live in America
- Death to all Jews and death to Americans.

You have a website with supporting info for what you say. Post it. I would have a read of it.

@sh76 said
Two reasons:

1. "From the River to the Sea" doesn't mean "single State in the area with equal rights for all inhabitants." It means driving the Jews out.

2. The Jews in the area have the right to autonomy and not to be governed by a Muslim majority who will likely have no regard for minority rights.

"If you believe in democracy, justice, and the end to all forms of oppression, you should also support a one-state solution, from the river to the sea."

https://jacobin.com/2021/04/one-state-solution-israeli-palestinian-conflict-resolution-democracy-rights