Spanish Minister Calls for Diplomatic Relations with Israel to be Severed

@kevcvs57 said
Terrorists, if they are caught alive are sent to prison or sentenced to death depending on the jurisdiction, The Hague is there to reach within state borders and serve justice to those who commit war crimes as state actors.
Anyway wouldn’t Hamas operatives and commanders be eligible for The Hague given the crimes they committed on oct 7th

How you catching them ? They going to commit suicide and go to heaven. So many acts of terrorism in the last 20 yrs. How many perps are brough to justice.

@rajk999 said
Well I have been following this story for more than 50 years now. Not once have I heard Palestinians from either Gaza, or West Bank or living out of that region say that they want to live in peace among the Jews. Its always
- We want a one state Palestine
- All Jews should go live in America
- Death to all Jews and death to Americans.

You have a website with supporting info for what you say. Post it. I would have a read of it.

I've already showed you polling which said a majority of Gazans support Hamas dropping their demand for an end to Israel.

You won't believe it because you've listened to negative propaganda against Palestinians for "more than 50 years now" plus your religious beliefs that God gave this piece of dirt to the Jews.

@rajk999 said
Well I have been following this story for more than 50 years now. Not once have I heard Palestinians from either Gaza, or West Bank or living out of that region say that they want to live in peace among the Jews. Its always
- We want a one state Palestine
- All Jews should go live in America
- Death to all Jews and death to Americans.

You have a website with supporting info for what you say. Post it. I would have a read of it.

I'll try AGAIN:

"Also notable is that Gazans continue to express disapproval of Hamas’ policies towards Israel. About half (53% ) agree at least somewhat that “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders,” a percentage that has held steady over the last three years. 59% of Gazans also agree that Hamas should give up its armed units in favor of PA officers in Gaza. Likewise, nearly two-thirds of Gazans would agree at least somewhat with the need for Hamas to preserve the cease-fire in both Gaza and the West Bank."

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/new-poll-shows-gazans-pragmatic-now-not-long-term

@no1marauder said
I've already showed you polling which said a majority of Gazans support Hamas dropping their demand for an end to Israel.

You won't believe it because you've listened to negative propaganda against Palestinians for "more than 50 years now" plus your religious beliefs that God gave this piece of dirt to the Jews.

I remember that but the source did not seem credible. Interesting you said that because the Quran also stated that God gave the Holy Land to the Jews. This is why many Islamic states steer clear of the Palestinians. They actually believe they are the ones doing something wrong. I know you dont believe in religion but these people do.

@no1marauder said
I'll try AGAIN:

"Also notable is that Gazans continue to express disapproval of Hamas’ policies towards Israel. About half (53% ) agree at least somewhat that “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders,” a percentage that has held steady over the last three years. 59% of Gazans also a ...[text shortened]... ttps://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/new-poll-shows-gazans-pragmatic-now-not-long-term

I think you did not read that thing in full. Those figures are for short term goals of the Palestinians. Yes they want to co-exist with Israel in the short term [maybe a few years] and get back control of ALL THE LAND. In the long term they want full control, a one state Palestine ... An even higher majority (73😵 agree at least somewhat with the assertion that any compromise with Israel should be temporary until the restoration of historic Palestine,

So like I said
- They want it all
- They want the Jews out of there.
in the long run.

@rajk999 said
Correct .. now you talking. Pack up The Hague. Hamas has carried out hundreds terrorist activities for the last 15 yrs or so, killing thousands of Jewish civilians and the response from govts and these organisations is "We condemn Hamas in the strongest language. Hamas is a terrorist organisation Blah Blah blah ... " Yeah .. stick that nonsense up your butt ...[text shortened]... io stations in Gaza and Israel, and in Lebanon etc. Sometimes these people know more than outsiders.

I think you're going to be disappointed in your bloodlust. Eliminating Hamas is an impossible dream and I have my doubts that there is any political will in Israel for a long term campaign in Gaza with the IDF suffering thousands of killed by pursuing Hamas into that vast tunnel network.

They will kill for a while, declare victory and leave. In the end, this will only increase support for extremists on both sides and make the ultimate peaceful solution even more difficult.

@rajk999 said
I think you did not read that thing in full. Those figures are for short term goals of the Palestinians. Yes they want to co-exist with Israel in the short term [maybe a few years] and get back control of ALL THE LAND. In the long term they want full control, a one state Palestine ... An even higher majority (73😵 agree at least somewhat with the assertion that any compr ...[text shortened]...

So like I said
- They want it all
- They want the Jews out of there.
in the long run.

Where does it say that in the long run they want the Jews out?

You made that up.

I'm not surprised 15 years of blockade have hardened attitudes in Gaza.

@no1marauder said
Where does it say that in the long run they want the Jews out?

You made that up.

I'm not surprised 15 years of blockade have hardened attitudes in Gaza.

Says that in the article. Its even in the https:// link....

Now they want to negotiate, not in the long term.

In the long term they want to kick the Jews out.

@rajk999 said
Says that in the article. Its even in the https:// link....

Now they want to negotiate, not in the long term.

In the long term they want to kick the Jews out.

No, it doesn't, not anywhere in the article say "they want to kick the Jews out". A "restoration of historic Palestine" which most support, does not mean that - Jews lived in historic Palestine.

@no1marauder said
No, it doesn't, not anywhere in the article say "they want to kick the Jews out". A "restoration of historic Palestine" which most support, does not mean that - Jews lived in historic Palestine.

Continued Popularity of One State over a Two State Solution

You said the Palestinians want a two-state solution. This articles says most rather one state, that means the Jews are going to get booted out if they had their way.

...the conflict with Israel should not end even if a two-state is achieved and should continue until all of historic Palestine is liberated.

The battle for full one state Palestine, liberated from the Jews is their goal.

@rajk999 said
Continued Popularity of One State over a Two State Solution

You said the Palestinians want a two-state solution. This articles says most rather one state, that means the Jews are going to get booted out if they had their way.

...the conflict with Israel should not end even if a two-state is achieved and should continue until all of historic Palestine is liberated.

The battle for full one state Palestine, liberated from the Jews is their goal.

You keep saying something that isn't in the article based on your own bias and nothing more.

15 years of blockade and 20 years of massive building of illegal settlement building in the West Bank have hardened attitudes but if a two state settlement was reached based on the 1967 borders, it would have overwhelming support among Palestinians.

@no1marauder said
You keep saying something that isn't in the article based on your own bias and nothing more.

15 years of blockade and 20 years of massive building of illegal settlement building in the West Bank have hardened attitudes but if a two state settlement was reached based on the 1967 borders, it would have overwhelming support among Palestinians.

Yes but the article clearly states that this is not a longterm solution. Most of them, AFTER THE 2-STATE SOLUTION, want to keep fighting for a single Palestinian state liberated from the Jews.. You are lying if you say you do not see that.

..the conflict with Israel should not end even if a two-state is achieved and should continue until all of historic Palestine is liberated. An even higher majority (73😵 agree at least somewhat with the assertion that any compromise with Israel should be temporary until the restoration of historic Palestine

I will translate for you:

- the conflict will not end with a 2-state solution
- the fight will continue until they get back all of historic Palestine
- any compromise now is temporary, until all land is liberated.

Conclusion - Palestinians may not support Hamas's methods but they all have the same goal of a ONE STATE PALESTINE = NO JEWS.

@no1marauder said
"If you believe in democracy, justice, and the end to all forms of oppression, you should also support a one-state solution, from the river to the sea."

https://jacobin.com/2021/04/one-state-solution-israeli-palestinian-conflict-resolution-democracy-rights

Okay, so you found one case where the phrase was used in that context.

When the people are marching through the streets, yelling "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free!" do you really think they mean a democratic state with equal rights and representation for all?

@sh76 said
Okay, so you found one case where the phrase was used in that context.

When the people are marching through the streets, yelling "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free!" do you really think they mean a democratic state with equal rights and representation for all?

At US campuses which is the article you cited?

Yes.

@rajk999 said
Yes but the article clearly states that this is not a longterm solution. Most of them, AFTER THE 2-STATE SOLUTION, want to keep fighting for a single Palestinian state liberated from the Jews.. You are lying if you say you do not see that.

[i]..the conflict with Israel should not end even if a two-state is achieved and should continue until all of historic Palestine is ...[text shortened]... support Hamas's methods but they all have the same goal of a ONE STATE PALESTINE = NO JEWS. [/b]

No you're the one who is lying - there is absolutely nowhere, nowhere in that article that says the objective is "No Jews" in Palestine.

And you know it; that is your belief based on nothing more than 50 years of listening to anti-Palestinian propaganda.