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@AverageJoe1 saidWhy can’t she use a train?
Utopian points of view are welcome, but let us not avoid a bit of realism.
Take this paragraph I singled out here. You highlight folks in the lower levels of the economy. Are you saying Marxism should be implemented in order to accommodate those citizens? 50M of our citizens are in the shape that you describe, today. Fear, debt, medical needs. I think we should take ...[text shortened]... her life, for example, as serious traveler who makes good money doing it? And she can't use a train.
No one is supposed to tell her how to spend her day. one of the most egregious failures of Soviet and Chinese communism was that the centrally planned economy Would not let people choose their professions or places of residence. This led to resentment and resistance and predictably low motivation, with the bloody obvious consequences A) low output and B) lack of innovation.
Freedom of movement and choice of profession are essential to make it work.if traveling is her thing, and she makes good money doing it, there is no reason why a socialist economy cannot integrate that. Does she write travel logs, advisories for other travelers, rank hotels and restaurants? Great profession, useful service, no reason it cannot work in a socialist economy.
A typical life for people who want to work and are motivated to be productive citizens would be little different to what it is in any capitalist system. No govt should hinder them from doing so.
One major difference would be that one could not, like Bill Gates and Elon Musk and George Soros, accumulate limitless imaginary wealth doing so. Not because there would be an arbitrary cap, which clever tax consultants would circumvent, but because all transactions would flow through a centrally controlled bank first and a transaction tax would be automatically levied before any profits were forwarded to the accounts of the producers.
One of the perversions which seriously skews capitalism is that imaginary wealth accumulates through multiplication of fictitious monetary instruments which bear no relation whatsoever to products or services real people use. This would disappear in a socialist economy; only real products and services should generate wealth.
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@moonbus saidTo your last point. Only services and goods should generate. That is the exact case today. You seem to be saying that ‘ nothing else’ should generate wealth.
Why can’t she use a train?
No one is supposed to tell her how to spend her day. one of the most egregious failures of Soviet and Chinese communism was that the centrally planned economy Would not let people choose their professions or places of residence. This led to resentment and resistance and predictably low motivation, with the bloody obvious consequences A) low outp ...[text shortened]... This would disappear in a socialist economy; only real products and services should generate wealth.
Could you elaborate on that please. There is a janitor in the adjacent room of a UK office where she will be next week. She will say things and do things there, in and out in 2 hours. The janitor with his service will probably make $300 that week. She and people like her make more than $1000 an hour, Plus huge benefits in dividends.. She will fly home and go to her beach house. Can you tell us that there would be no restriction on her making so much money in the Marx society? If you want to restrict gates and Musk, will you restrict her? What If she is saving up big-time capital to buy her own plane to go back-and-forth to the UK. Would that be possible? Her first private plane trip would probably be a vacation to Lake Como in Italy.
If your government is going to restrict peoples’ freedom and liberty and independence, I wish you would just say so. Beating around the bush is not conducive to good debate.
Let us keep in mind that one restriction, one regulation, of a government against its people will simply lead to further government control of its citizens. That is a real killer.
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Did you say why can’t she use a train? Surely you jest. Would it travel along side her driveway?
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@AverageJoe1 saidI’m talking about imaginary monetary instruments such as futures stock options, which are basically just a horse race: you’re betting that other buyers will over- or under-sell a certain stock on a certain date in the future. This is imaginary wealth, not linked to any real product or real service.
To your last point. Only services and goods should generate. That is the exact case today. You seem to be saying that ‘ nothing else’ should generate wealth.
Could you elaborate on that please. There is a janitor in the adjacent room of a UK office where she will be next week. She will say things and do things there, in and out in 2 hours. The janitor with his ser ...[text shortened]... t its people will simply lead to further government control of its citizens. That is a real killer.
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@AverageJoe1 saidI haven’t a clue what you’re complaining about. Why wouldn’t trains be running, just as they do now? Why would anyone expect a railroad to his own doorstep??
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Did you say why can’t she use a train? Surely you jest. Would it travel along side her driveway?
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@AverageJoe1 saidEveryone needs a private jet, a beach house, etc.
Peoples needs don't change? The banker you mention has a need for his beach house on weekends, and for his plane. He is a retired pilot and has a small King Air to play with. Those are just two of his needs.
So my question, Shav. Would these needs of his change? And, he has several cars and would not DREAM of getting on one of those not-for-profit trains. I am not being cute, I am asking for a thoughtful answer. Teach me something!
But when the resources aren’t enough for everybody, then it won’t be the parasitical classes with money that gain it all.
Think of it as sharing a turkey at thanksgiving. Everyone gets a piece. Not just the racist granddad who won’t shut up and wants it all to himself.
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@shavixmir saidOK. A beer do well son,, might be like Hunter, who wormed his way into our Thanksgiving dinner. You can talk to me about morality and friendship and love and religion. All you want, that boy does not deserve one piece of the turkey.
Everyone needs a private jet, a beach house, etc.
But when the resources aren’t enough for everybody, then it won’t be the parasitical classes with money that gain it all.
Think of it as sharing a turkey at thanksgiving. Everyone gets a piece. Not just the racist granddad who won’t shut up and wants it all to himself.
Nothing is the constitution says anyone is obligated to do anything other than that which they want to do. I might not want to give this guy a piece of turkey. That morning at church, I may have put $1000 in the collection plate for people who are in need and cannot take care of themselves. So you want me to treat this equally with those people that are in need?
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To give this more perspective, if Joe Biden, the president was your friend and you said you would like to bring him to my Thanksgiving dinner, I would say no I do not want him in my house. He’s responsible for so much misery. That’s the way I think and I would not have him at my table, but yet your post says I should have him at my table.
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@AverageJoe1 saidyou've done this countless times. you ask a question, you ignore the answer, you ask it again after a while.
That is why I am asking, little feller. Please accommodate me? And, no anger, please? Pretend I am a catholic nun witih questions?
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@moonbus saidWell, I drive my car to work. After work, I might pick up my kindergarteners, or meet my friends at a pub for a nice occasion together, after which I will go get in my car and go home. Since I cannot do all of this with a train, you are asking me to change live to fit in with the masses. Your people will be moving people like one would move cattle.
I haven’t a clue what you’re complaining about. Why wouldn’t trains be running, just as they do now? Why would anyone expect a railroad to his own doorstep??
And did you get above the point made that a community or a society should be based on life at a Thanksgiving table, where everyone all over can come and feast in the same venue.
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@shavixmir saidShav purports to have an agency, or an entity, or maybe a person like Merritt Garland decide what someone needs. I see his comment that way. Could he possibly mean anything else? That is what he is saying.
Everyone needs a private jet, a beach house, etc.
But when the resources aren’t enough for everybody, then it won’t be the parasitical classes with money that gain it all.
Think of it as sharing a turkey at thanksgiving. Everyone gets a piece. Not just the racist granddad who won’t shut up and wants it all to himself.
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@moonbus saidMy obvious point is that when I go outside after breakfast, which way do I turn out of my driveway to catch the train. How far to I have to walk? Seriously. Where is everyone supposed to catch the train, and then leave work to go see little Johnny play ball, then take him home, and then go on a train to meet my friends.
I haven’t a clue what you’re complaining about. Why wouldn’t trains be running, just as they do now? Why would anyone expect a railroad to his own doorstep??
I have made this scenario as simple as I possibly can, in answering your ludicrous ideas that we all start riding the train.
Y'all won't but it would be fun to see how y'all would make it a seamless, convenient mode of transportation.
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@Zahlanzi saidThis is a brand new question, just above, Zhalanzi, that I wish someone would answer. It would clear the air.
you've done this countless times. you ask a question, you ignore the answer, you ask it again after a while.
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@moonbus saidWell, my car is at my doorstep. If it is not anymore, please tell us how we change our way of life to not going out and getting in the car,,,,,,I have to be at the office in 20 minutes.
I haven’t a clue what you’re complaining about. Why wouldn’t trains be running, just as they do now? Why would anyone expect a railroad to his own doorstep??