Taxation system in a Marx society?

@Wajoma said
I've comprehensively dispelled the 'there's one cake, turkey, house and we have to all share' red herring yet again.

I expect we'll see shag tard trying it again in the future, maybe with cows, or motorcycles, or seesaws.

Uhuh.
Moron.

That’s why nobody takes you seriously.
You rattle on about your wee subject, without comprehending the larger picture of what it would mean.

Your solutions cannot work in the real world. That’s why even capitalists ignore them.

@AverageJoe1 said
If I have a 'property;' would you tell your parasitic followers how you could justify taking over that property? You are Branch Davidian, aren't you.

i don't have to justify jack. i won the revolution, my word is absolute. So to the gulag with you tovarich, because i simply don't like you

@AverageJoe1 said
Metaphorically speaking, can you tell us how you would be entitled, , morally and legally, to end up with my restored Austin Healey? Metaphorically. Maybe not you literally, but I would not have it anymore , would I......
What will happen.? Why do you communists avoid telling us what you are after?

Because everyone is equal but I am more equal than you.

@AverageJoe1 said
Thank you for your response, I actually respect it greatly and respect you for making it. We are all trying to learn from each other, are we not. Flying off the handle such as you-know -who does not help us in this endeavor, so thank you very much.
So let us stay together here.. You, I guess, have a reason for thinking that I should be sent to a gulag.
Could ...[text shortened]... e that would qualify my being sent to a gulag? Thanks. Standing by. Please , no suzi or sunhouse.

No amount of brown nosing will save you from the gulag

"Could you PLEASE tell us what it is about me that would qualify my being sent to a gulag?"
You are an ashole and I don't like you

@Zahlanzi said
No amount of brown nosing will save you from the gulag

"Could you PLEASE tell us what it is about me that would qualify my being sent to a gulag?"
You are an ashole and I don't like you

Regarding that which Wajoma writes (I love the shoe-sharing), please tell us what of our possessions would most likely be shared. How would 'they' (You never tell us who they are) decide what we have to share with strangers coming over to our house to eat our food. Shoes, of course, but our car?....if we have a car?
And this train thing cracks me up. Shav just threw that out there. Tonight for a Fathers Day outing, we pile the kids in the car and drive all over to various fast foods choices for each of them. A lot of fun.
Zahalanzi, Shav would not explain now trains are feasible. How could we run all over for fast foods if we are all on a train? What if someone beats the heck out of me on the train? You see, I never ever ride on trains. Your fancy little world takes away my freedom, and fun for my children.
Have you socialists ever thought about leaving people alone to produce and improve life all around us? One can choose to work 20/hrs a week like Shav,, or 60 hours a week, neither DEPENDING on another. Why, the 60/hr people make a pie. I love this country. Plus, I have to do that in order to have money to pay into the government to support the destitute, which may include people like Shav who will have no retirement money.
BTW, who do you count on to fund your programs? The government has NO money, you know.

forces which will change capitalism.

How that happens depends on many different things. To a greater extent, stronger unions, decent pay, good housing, education and a proper health service will go a long way to easing the frictions within capitalism. Ergo, you will probably keep the many things you mention.

To another extent, constantly whittling away at the minimum wage, destroying unions ...[text shortened]... and then when a new regime comes along, you might find yourself without all the things you mention.

Why change capitalism, the most-proven system? What in the heck are you saying? YOu have never made a case for that. I will go out today and do my thing and never give ONE thought to government. You do. And you need to over there. We don't.
You write below...minimum wage? It is constantly being INcreased. You dependents think it should be a Living wage, you are wrong.
Unions? You always tout 'Let the PEOPLE decide'. Well, the people decide if they want a union. Whew.
Undermining education? What does that mean, Shav.? Now you knock the education in the USA? Maybe you are referring to the fact that the admittance of illegal children into the school rooms is dumbing it all down. You are right about that, 5 stars!
Health services for 'the masses' (what a creepy phrase...are you part of the masses?? Creepy.). Do you know that no one, including illegal aliens, are ever turned away from emergency rooms? How much free stuff do you parasites want? I wonder if you even have supplemental health insurance. Or, are you a simple dependent....If you are are, just how good do you expect free services to be?
Your last para, you are correct that if the government today does not stop whittling with our society, we will lose what we have. I think you do not realize that you are saying that. You are saying that the meddling and controlling of government is unhealthy for a society, and they they could cause me to be without my things. Would you end up with my things, then?
You are in conflict, as are all liberals. I think I am going to go out tomorrow and make a lot of money, it makes me feel good. I have my eye on another Austin Healey. Man, they are expensive!!

@AverageJoe1 said
Why change capitalism, the most-proven system? What in the heck are you saying? YOu have never made a case for that. I will go out today and do my thing and never give ONE thought to government. You do. And you need to over there. We don't.
You write below...minimum wage? It is constantly being INcreased. You dependents think it should be a Living wage, you are w ...[text shortened]... of money, it makes me feel good. I have my eye on another Austin Healey. Man, they are expensive!!

Dialectical materialism.

Really. I can’t talk to you on this subject, unless you grasp the basics.

Very simply put: a boss wants to make as much profit as possible and workers want higher wages for the same output.

This creates friction. Friction leads to change.
Ergo, according to Marx, capitalism will evolve into communism, because of the inherent frictions within the capitalist system.

You don’t have to agree with it. But that is the basis of Marxist philosophy.

@shavixmir said
Dialectical materialism.

Really. I can’t talk to you on this subject, unless you grasp the basics.

Very simply put: a boss wants to make as much profit as possible and workers want higher wages for the same output.

This creates friction. Friction leads to change.
Ergo, according to Marx, capitalism will evolve into communism, because of the inherent frictions with ...[text shortened]... capitalist system.

You don’t have to agree with it. But that is the basis of Marxist philosophy.

Haha

dialectical materialism

hhaaaahhahahahahahahahaa

shag pseudy for brains.

@shavixmir said
Dialectical materialism.

Really. I can’t talk to you on this subject, unless you grasp the basics.

Very simply put: a boss wants to make as much profit as possible and workers want higher wages for the same output.

This creates friction. Friction leads to change.
Ergo, according to Marx, capitalism will evolve into communism, because of the inherent frictions with ...[text shortened]... capitalist system.

You don’t have to agree with it. But that is the basis of Marxist philosophy.

Say I own Acme Company. Built from the bottom up, took risks. Then, to expand, and create more jobs in the process, I raise cash by selling a part of the company (shares, whatever) to you and Mott.
I make $700K a year, and you and Mott make about $200k based on your percentage of ownership.
To your point, the workers saw in the paper how much we make and think they should make more money. You would call that friction. I call it the American way. The job pays $30 an hour. If a worker does not like it any more, they quit, of course. They go elsewhere. Someone else fills that job. Life goes on, ACME company goes on.
What friction, Shav.? Maybe they will all join forces and strike. This has been happening for 200 years. Maybe a Union comes in. Acme goes on. Union may prevail up to $35/hr. That is the American way. Friction is really solved with negotiation.
So every day is a bit of negotiation. The American way. So, what do you think should change? ( I sense a bit of govt influence in your thoughts?)

Edit: Note I say 'the job' pays $30.00. Don't confuse that with the worker.

@Wajoma said
Haha

dialectical materialism

hhaaaahhahahahahahahahaa

shag pseudy for brains.

Back to the rack dumb arse.
Go gimp somewhere else, you are seriously out of your depth.

@Wajoma said
Haha

dialectical materialism

hhaaaahhahahahahahahahaa

shag pseudy for brains.

Well, it sounds good when gathered around a round table with a bunch of brains. Do you think Shav uses it in everyday conversation?

@shavixmir said
Back to the rack dumb arse.
Go gimp somewhere else, you are seriously out of your depth.

shag pseudy you've been copy/pasting 'dialectical materialism' for years now and it's you that doesn't know what it means or how it relates to the discussion or your desire to force whacky long disproven economic theories on unwilling citizens.

The solution has always been a free society and then all the shag pseudys can get together in a club and see who's going to be sacrificed, the only issue for you is that you wouldn't be able to force anyone to join your club and I can understand why you wouldn't want to test your ideas in this manner.

@AverageJoe1 said
Well, it sounds good when gathered around a round table with a bunch of brains. Do you think Shav uses it in everyday conversation?

Whenever he's getting his ass kicked he copy/pastes it, like it has majic powers haha, I larf every time.

@Wajoma said
Whenever he's getting his ass kicked he copy/pastes it, like it has majic powers haha, I larf every time.

I wish, I wish, that these disingenuous posters would please tell us why they like the idea of Communism, or Marxism. With their history of writings here, there is no question that it is dear to their hearts.
If they are real men, it would be impossible for them to preach dependence.

So what is their game here?

@AverageJoe1 said
Regarding that which Wajoma writes (I love the shoe-sharing), please tell us what of our possessions would most likely be shared. How would 'they' (You never tell us who they are) decide what we have to share with strangers coming over to our house to eat our food. Shoes, of course, but our car?....if we have a car?
And this train thing cracks me up. Shav just th ...[text shortened]... nt money.
BTW, who do you count on to fund your programs? The government has NO money, you know.

"Regarding that which Wajoma writes (I love the shoe-sharing), please tell us what of our possessions would most likely be shared. "
Everything you own. You in particular. Because when i am supreme leader i will make you share everything you owned. Just you

"How would 'they' (You never tell us who they are)"
I am they. It is my revolution, remember?
"decide what we have to share with strangers coming over to our house to eat our food. Shoes, of course, but our car?....if we have a car?"
Simple, Are you AverageJoe? Does the supreme leader (me) dislike you? If yes to both, you are sharing, or better said, giving away everything you own. You won't be needing possessions in the gulag

" Zahalanzi, Shav would not explain now trains are feasible."
You need explaining how more trains are better than no trains? Are you this dumb? Because you can't possibly be this dense that you need the concept of trains explained to you

"Have you socialists ever thought about leaving people alone to produce and improve life all around us?"
That's the goal. Socialists are stepping in when greedy bastards come into the picture and stop the improve life part. Bezos doesn't improve life for his workers. Walmart doesn't improve life for its workers. We have to do that.

"Why, the 60/hr people make a pie"
The majority who work 60/h weeks do it because they have to not because they want to