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Well, as Moonbus suggested,I thought I would have my 9 year old daughter ride her bike to, well, anywhere (I don't think MBus set any parameters), to test out his theory. No worries, I have my cell phone tracker on so I can see where she (or actually, her cell phone, is.)
She was supposed to call me 20 minutes ago and does not answer. Gotta run, luckily my tracker tells me where to find...her cell phone. Problem is, I have to wait for Public Transportation to get me over there. Dam.
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Don't y'all love to bring these fantasizing libs into reality
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@AverageJoe1 said"who hates Trump for whatever reason, which I do not understand"
But that is all I am saying. Everyone who hates Trump for whatever reason, which I do not understand, will vote for Biden to NOT have Trump as President, and 'take their chances' with the future of the USA. Which one do YOU think would better run the country? You know, Z, I aint perfect, but I would be a better president than Biden would be. Do you know he has let i ...[text shortened]... ever pointed out the wrongs of Biden. Y'all just do not do it. I have often done that about Trump.
there isn't much you do understand
"will vote for Biden to NOT have Trump as President"
yeah, a very good reason to vote Biden. which i just said but here you are repeating it proudly as if you invented toilet paper
Between a senile old bastard who means well when he has his lucid moments and who surrounds himself by capable people and a malicious narcissistic senile old bastard who only has asslickers around him, i am picking the former.
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Speaking not as a Marxist, but only as someone who has read the Communist Manifesto and the Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1868, it would depend on which phase of historical materialism we're in. If the state has "withered away" and the "prehistory of man has come to an end" I think taxes would be moot.
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@Zahlanzi saidHe certainly means well to people who borrowed money, whatever the reason, and promised to pay it back when they graduate from college and start receiving income, good money. To those people, he certainly meant well. You have a great way with words. He paid off their loans. Logical and rationale
"who hates Trump for whatever reason, which I do not understand"
there isn't much you do understand
"will vote for Biden to NOT have Trump as President"
yeah, a very good reason to vote Biden. which i just said but here you are repeating it proudly as if you invented toilet paper
Between a senile old bastard who means well when he has his lucid moments and who surro ...[text shortened]... licious narcissistic senile old bastard who only has asslickers around him, i am picking the former.
. I am seeing the light.
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@Kunsoo saidYou did not click quote, I don’t know what you refer to. But start with what ‘historical materialism’ we are in please. I note in another thread that Moonbus says a lot about material things not really qualifying as needed.
@AverageJoe1
Speaking not as a Marxist, but only as someone who has read the Communist Manifesto and the Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1868, it would depend on which phase of historical materialism we're in. If the state has "withered away" and the "prehistory of man has come to an end" I think taxes would be moot.
I assume that you might explain that a ‘need’ to one person is dif than a need to another person.He wants my kids to get everywhere on a bike, and myself , anywhere on public transportation. I asked him how I could find my lost child who left an hour ago on a bike, when socialists restrict me to a bus.
Please jump in here.
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@AverageJoe1 saiddumbass, it wasn't an invitation to discuss the morality of relieving some pressure on middle class people struggling to pay loans that shouldn't be a thing in the first place when you frequently forgive millionaires' and billionaires' debts.
He certainly means well to people who borrowed money, whatever the reason, and promised to pay it back when they graduate from college and start receiving income, good money. To those people, he certainly meant well. You have a great way with words. He paid off their loans. Logical and rationale
. I am seeing the light.
I know already you're a sociopath just like your cult leader.
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@Zahlanzi saidLet it be known that I innnocently pose a hypothetical, given Moonbus suggesting public transportation for all. A fun hypo, between two polar opposites, you and me.
dumbass, it wasn't an invitation to discuss the morality of relieving some pressure on middle class people struggling to pay loans that shouldn't be a thing in the first place when you frequently forgive millionaires' and billionaires' debts.
I know already you're a sociopath just like your cult leader.
Here is the hypo:
"I assume that you might explain that a ‘need’ to one person is dif than a need to another person.He wants my kids to get everywhere on a bike, and myself , anywhere on public transportation. I asked him how I could find my lost child who left an hour ago on a bike, when socialists restrict me to a bus"
Could you just ratify the feasibility of this idea?.
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@AverageJoe1 said"Could you just ratify the feasibility of this idea?."
Let it be known that I innnocently pose a hypothetical, given Moonbus suggesting public transportation for all. A fun hypo, between two polar opposites, you and me.
Here is the hypo:
"I assume that you might explain that a ‘need’ to one person is dif than a need to another person.He wants my kids to get everywhere on a bike, and myself , anywhere on public transportat ...[text shortened]... bike, when socialists restrict me to a bus"
Could you just ratify the feasibility of this idea?.
Nope but i can explain how you came to it. You're a feeble minded simpleton who dreams up outrageous scenarios because you're too dumb to understand what people are saying. Without having read what moonbus said i am willing to promise not to call you an imbecile for a month if he ever said "we will ban cars, everyone must get on a train or bus by law". i will even accept to have lost the bet if he said it in jest.
Calling you an imbecile is one of my guilty pleasures in this cesspool of a forum and i am willing to give it up for one whole month if you produce said proof.
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@Zahlanzi saidZahlanzi, these are a few Moonbus posts. You seem to be saying that he was speaking in metaphors or somesuch, but no, no, he is predicting what y'all want us to live under. These are a few of his ramblings. The tomato is that he wants my wife to order food from somewhere that is delivered to her. Did you notice your mom liked to thump the cantaloupe for freshness? He says she can't do that anymore. Z, he says we can't do a lot of things anymore. I asked him how I would get to my daughter in a hurry in trouble, if I have to find public transportation. Do you always take a negative contrarian side to everything that someone writes? Why not be a big boy and say, 'Dam Joe, Moonbus is making life sound a little strong, very uncomfortable. Very cumbersome and unsafe. A loss of freedom....'
"Could you just ratify the feasibility of this idea?."
Nope but i can explain how you came to it. You're a feeble minded simpleton who dreams up outrageous scenarios because you're too dumb to understand what people are saying. Without having read what moonbus said i am willing to promise not to call you an imbecile for a month if he ever said "we will ban cars, everyone mu ...[text shortened]... is cesspool of a forum and i am willing to give it up for one whole month if you produce said proof.
Here Is A Smattering Of His Posts: (Page 6, I think)
""Public transport includes busses, not only trains. Your kids can rides bikes, can't they? I sure as heck rode my bike to the chess club across town. What a bunch of dependent sissies if they expect mom or dad to chauffeur them everywhere (in an Austin Healy, no less).
You have a dim opinion of humanity if you think that providing people with a basic level of security will lead to no one doing any work at all. Of course some people are dependent, but a yearning for autonomy is inherent in any normal person and should be fostered. The best way to do that is to free them from existential fear that they're going to starve if they lose their jobs. I'm not interested in talking about society paying for someone to have a 165-dollar Nikes; that's not a need, no one is going to die if he does not get 165-dollar Nikes. Failure to obtain 165-dollar Nikes does not lead to existential crises where society is remiss if it does not intervene. The paradox of America is that you have cutting edge technology and plenty of rich people, but when someone gets hit by a car at a pedestrian crossing and the ambulance shows up, the first questions is not 'where does it hurt?' but 'are you insured?' Got your priorities wrong there.
I get that you are afraid that someone is going to take away your Austin Healey, force your wife to buy tomatoes, and force you to pay for your neighbor's college kid's sex change operation. You can relax now; that is not what I am advocating. What I am saying is that if capitalists continue sleepwalking through the next 250 years as they have done the last 250 years, wasting resources and dumping megatons of waste into the environment, as if we had a spare planet in the basement, then there will come a hard crash, with debris and body parts strewn all over the landscape. If you care about what kind of world is going to be left for your grandchildren, then sensible precautions have to take now, by which I do not mean hoarding toilet paper and ammo in underground bunkers as in some apocalyptic zombie series on Netflix. Take a look at shav's thread on the number of working poor kept on permanent-poverty wages in America, a staggering 60 million people who cannot pay for their basic needs, although they are employed. This is not only absurd, it is dastardly. The Roman Empire did better than that: there was grain for baking bread, free at the point of consumption. It cannot be so difficult for the world's richest nation to do that now, too, to provide its people with basic necessities, food, water, shelter, and medical care. It's not that America cannot afford it; it's that fat cats think it's more 'profitable' for them to keep a permanent underclass of unhappy people driven to despair or a life of petty crime, than to do something about it. Rather than doing something about it, they shoehorn in a fellow fat cat who promptly gives them a tax cut. Pfui.
You twist my words with absurd anti-logic. I did not say that just barely getting by without dying "you should not want for more in your life." Those are your words, not mine. No one needs an Austin Healey; no one needs to be driven to a sports event; those are comforts and luxuries. No one expects you to give them up, and no one expects you to pay for anyone else's comforts or luxuries. If you want them, you can pay for them yourself.""
That's some of it, Z. And for the record, I DO need my Austin Healey. I have my reasons. But you libs say, No, Joe, we will decide if you need it or not.
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@AverageJoe1 saidah ok, i don't have to stop calling you an idiot.
Zahlanzi, these are a few Moonbus posts. You seem to be saying that he was speaking in metaphors or somesuch, but no, no, he is predicting what y'all want us to live under. These are a few of his ramblings. The tomato is that he wants my wife to order food from somewhere that is delivered to her. Did you notice your mom liked to thump the cantaloupe for freshness? He s ...[text shortened]... Austin Healey. I have my reasons. But you libs say, No, Joe, we will decide if you need it or not.
the chance was slim but i was at least 10% worried.
so yeah nowhere did moon say you or your imaginary children HAVE to ride the bus. He was just saying, a novel idea i am sure, that having a good public transportation system is better than not having it. Nowhere did he say he will send you to a gulag if you don't use it or he will take your car.
So nothing changed, you're still an imbecile and i get to call you one as an exercise in futility (venting my anger that specimens like you make the world a bit dumber)
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This was the first response to this query, but we have gotten off track:
(From Shav):
'''Roughly.
There are various ways to approach it all.
Socialism does have taxation (if you accept the definition that it’s different than communism).
Communism doesn’t really need taxation. As you suggested, you don’t really need wages.'""
True I am not proficient about Marxism....thus the question, how can there be taxation if you are saying there would be no wages? How can I make it more simple? How do people Eat if they do not work,... from whence does the physical support come? What is a typical day in that life for us all? How does the govt have stuff to hand out to the masses (the People!!) on the village square? How do they maintain order?