@averagejoe1 saidYou can't stop students from praying in non-instructional time without violating their First Amendment rights:
Everyone is forgetting what school is for. Students running schools now?
"A. Prayer During Non-instructional Time
Students may pray when not engaged in school activities or instruction, subject to the same rules designed to prevent material disruption of the educational program that are applied to other privately initiated expressive activities. Among other things, students may read their Bibles, Torahs, Korans, or other scriptures; say grace before meals; and pray or study religious materials with fellow students during recess, the lunch hour, or other non-instructional time to the same extent that they may engage in nonreligious activities. While school authorities may impose rules of order and pedagogical restrictions on student activities, they may not discriminate against student prayer or religious perspectives in applying such rules and restrictions."
https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/religionandschools/prayer_guidance.html
In this case, the students asked for permission to use the room for prayer, got it and then were interrupted because a teacher "believes in Jesus". Her actions were clearly violative of both school policy and the Constitution and merited termination.
@no1marauder said"In this case, the students asked for permission to use the room for prayer, (and) got it"
You can't stop students from praying in non-instructional time without violating their First Amendment rights:
"A. Prayer During Non-instructional Time
Students may pray when not engaged in school activities or instruction, subject to the same rules designed to prevent material disruption of the educational program that are applied to other privately initiated expre ...[text shortened]... r actions were clearly violative of both school policy and the Constitution and merited termination.
Permission from whom? Who gave them permission to use a room already assigned to someone else?
Is Franklin Academy a school, or a staging area and learning environment for future anarchists?
I don't blame the Muslim children if they had indeed been given permission to use the room. My question here is very clear, and is not prone or open to misinterpretation.
WHO gave those children permission to use the room?
1. The principal or vice principal?
2. A member of administrative staff responsible for assigning days and time for use of the room?
3. Two other teachers who just happened to be nearby?
4. A member of the janitorial staff, or the lunch lady?
5. A visiting parent?
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@no1marauder saidPray when they want but they can't take over someone's private office to do it.
You can't stop students from praying in non-instructional time without violating their First Amendment rights:
Thought you were supposed to be a lawyer.
You sure don't sound like one.
11 Dec 22
@kilroy70 saidLet's ask Sonhouse to diagram this scenario for us.
I don't blame the Muslim children if they had indeed been given permission to use the room. My question here is very clear, and is not prone or open to misinterpretation.
WHO gave those children permission to use the room?
1. The principal or vice principal?
2. A member of administrative staff responsible for assigning days and time for use of the room?
3. Two ...[text shortened]... of the janitorial staff, or the lunch lady?
5. A visiting parent?
who?
@jj-adams saidHe sounds like a lawyer to me.
Pray when they want but they can't take over someone's private office to do it.
Thought you were supposed to be a lawyer.
You sure don't sound like one.
My dad was an attorney. If I said "lawyer" when talking with him about his profession he would immediately correct me and say he was an attorney, not a lawyer. He absolutely hated being associated with shiesters, ambulance chasers and mealy mouthed "lawyers".
11 Dec 22
@kilroy70 saidContrare’ A lawyer is one who passes bar exam and admitted to practice law Anyone can be an attorney. I can give my power to sign documents to Sonhouse and call him my attorney in fact. A person who represents another person in some capacity. That is an attorney. So your dad was a lawyer, but did not want to admit it. He was only an attorney if someone walked into his office and asked him to represent them.
He sounds like a lawyer to me.
My dad was an attorney. If I said "lawyer" when talking with him about his profession he would immediately correct me and say he was an attorney, not a lawyer. He absolutely hated being associated with shiesters, ambulance chasers and mealy mouthed "lawyers".
An attorney cannot be a lawyer, but a lawyer can certainly be an attorney .
@averagejoe1 saidYes, let's do that...
Let's ask Sonhouse to diagram this scenario for us.
RELEASE THE KRAKEN !!
12 Dec 22
@jj-adams saidLike I said: right wingers like to make s*** up.
This was a publicity stunt by the muslim students, they could have prayed anywhere but they invaded her office and had their cameras ready to record her reaction.
It was a set-up from the start.
The teacher was fired for inappropriate comments showing discriminatory intent which violated both school policy and the US Constitution. None of your fairy tales or irrelevant points change that.
12 Dec 22
@no1marauder saidI think that when there is a violation of this sort, the rules change, that the teacher can make any type of comment that she would like to, as there should be an exception when someone is breaking a law or a rule. Why should the little ass have protection from comments? What if she’d said you little ass, get out.
Like I said: right wingers like to make s*** up.
The teacher was fired for inappropriate comments showing discriminatory intent which violated both school policy and the US Constitution. None of your fairy tales or irrelevant points change that.
12 Dec 22
@averagejoe1 saidI've already explained to you morons that a teacher doesn't "own" the office space her employer assigns her. And contrary to your usual incredible ignorance, a teacher who makes bigoted comments to students doesn't get a pass because she mistakenly thinks she owns school property. The school made clear it does not tolerate discriminatory behavior, she violated that policy and was fired.
I think that when there is a violation of this sort, the rules change, that the teacher can make any type of comment that she would like to, as there should be an exception when someone is breaking a law or a rule. Why should the little ass have protection from comments? What if she’d said you little ass, get out.
End of story.