24 Aug 16
Originally posted by lemon limeAre you truly relying on a comparison between someone wearing a ski mask entering a jewelry store and a woman wearing a burkini at a beach?
So what iyo may have changed between then and now that might account for such a draconian change in policy? Anything to come to mind, such as let's say, perhaps a dramatic increase in terrorist attacks? I know it's quite a stretch to connect these two totally unrelated things, i.e. policy changes in response to a rise in terrorism. But seeing as how you a ...[text shortened]... g jewelry stores wearing ski masks.
Oh my goodness gracious! Whatever is this world coming to?!
If so, the words you can't be serious are barely adequate.
If you are suggesting that Muslims be singled out for collective punishment because some members of the religion engaged in terrorist acts, then I strongly disagree that such a practice accords with the values of a free society.
24 Aug 16
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe idea that the State can enforce its idea of "values" on individuals doing no harm to anyone else is deeply offensive to the idea of freedom.
Even if that idea is the oppression of women. What seems to me to be happening is that Muslims are expressing a religiosity in wearing this garb, a religiosity that is offensive because it means a women is not free to feel the warm sunshine and waves on her skin without fear of reproach. Even on a level of equality clearly there is a disparity for M ...[text shortened]... meone from wearing what they want is to miss the point, its not about clothes, its about values.
France routinely violates the rights of religious expression and should be condemned.
24 Aug 16
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Originally posted by no1marauderTry evaluating this against the backdrop of reality:
Are you truly relying on a comparison between someone wearing a ski mask entering a jewelry store and a woman wearing a burkini at a beach?
If so, the words you can't be serious are barely adequate.
If you are suggesting that Muslims be singled out for collective punishment because some members of the religion engaged in terrorist acts, then I strongly disagree that such a practice accords with the values of a free society.
If no one had ever robbed a jewelry store wearing a ski mask, then no one would be alarmed seeing a man entering a jewelry store wearing a ski mask.
And if no terrorist Muslim had ever detonated a suicide bomb in a public place, then no one would be alarmed to see a woman covered head to toe in Muslim garb on a public beach.
Imagine someone wearing a bomb strapped to their body and casually strolling along on a crowded beach wearing a swim suit. Do you think anyone seeing this would feel alarmed? Now imagine someone wearing a bomb strapped to their body underneath traditional Muslim garb casually strolling along on a crowded beach...
Is any of this sinking in? Can you now see how this has nothing to do with a woman's God given right to wear whatever she wants to wear? I suppose as a man you have the right to wear a ski mask when entering a jewelry store, but would you ever seriously consider doing this?
24 Aug 16
Originally posted by lemon limeAt some point paranoid craziness really should give way to common sense.
Try evaluating this against the backdrop of reality:
If no one had ever robbed a jewelry store wearing a ski mask, then no one would be alarmed seeing a man entering a jewelry store wearing a ski mask.
And if no terrorist Muslim had ever detonated a suicide bomb in a public place, then no one would be alarmed to see a woman covered head to toe in Mu ...[text shortened]... wear a ski mask when entering a jewelry store, but would you ever seriously consider doing this?
Why not require everybody to walk around naked so we can make sure they don't have bombs strapped on them?
24 Aug 16
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Originally posted by no1marauderOh good grief, common sense would be the ability to discern the difference between reasonable caution and unwarranted concern. Do you really think the French are over reacting, or do a lot more people need to be killed for you to understand what they are up against over there?
At some point paranoid craziness really should give way to common sense.
Why not require everybody to walk around naked so we can make sure they don't have bombs strapped on them?
24 Aug 16
Originally posted by lemon limeRidiculous discrimination against their Muslim population is more likely to exacerbate the problem then end it.
Oh good grief, common sense would be the ability to discern the difference between reasonable caution and unwarranted concern. Do you really think the French are over reacting, or do a lot more people need to be killed for you to understand what they are up against over there?
25 Aug 16
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Originally posted by no1marauderReally? So efforts to keep everyone safe (this includes the local Muslim popuation) is discrimination? Your sense of compassion is heart warming.
Ridiculous discrimination against their Muslim population is more likely to exacerbate the problem then end it.